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sudo wrote

Thank you for this. I agree with everything you said; and I would add that I also can't stand when leftists start spouting conspiracy theories. There was a time when I was driving back from a protest with a few other comrades, and someone in the car said they believed that all the US presidents were blood relatives of each other, and that there was some shadowy family who was trying to make sure that every US president was a member of their family. I told them that was ridiculous, and to show their proof, if they had any. They did not have any proof. But, the other leftists in the car all decided to back up the conspiracy theorist! They were all the type of communists that haven't actually read Marx or Lenin - they just agreed with leftist statements that sounded right (I suppose they also agreed with factual claims that "sounded right," too, and made no effort to verify them).

Also, anarcho-primitivism is the stupidest leftist ideology I've ever heard. I made the same arguments you did to an an-prim, and they told me I should read "Against His-story, Against Leviathan," the definitive book for anarcho-primitivism. I couldn't make it past the first few chapters, it was so bad. The author, despite having a college education, decided to write the entire book with the vocabulary of a 5-year old. You have to constantly translate what he's saying from 5-year old to English. And what he does have to say is really dumb. The one thing that sticks out in my memory is that he considers evolution to be just another creation myth, any of which are equally valid. He doesn't understand that science isn't a set of beliefs, it's a method for understanding the world. That book is, without a doubt, the worst piece of "leftist" literature I've ever read.

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ziq_postcivver wrote (edited )

I call bullshit. We reject all unsustainable tech, the only difference is we're not dogmatic like you guys, insisting that even sustainable, reclaimed and lifesaving tech be banned, which is a patently absurd notion for an anarchist to support - banning people from using tools that were developed after the stone age for no reason other than fear.

Furthermore, we recognize the contributions of anprim theory to postciv's development, we're just not beholden to the traps of ideology.

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ziq_postcivver wrote (edited )

If you can make it on your own, using locally sourced or recycled materials, and it does more good to life than harm, it's sustainable.

We're not fools, we know most modern technology created under capitalism today isn't sustainable, we're just not so quick to demonize all tech. If we abandoned unsustainable tech, people would have no choice but to develop sustainable alternatives and to reuse and repurpose obsolete tech.

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ziq_postcivver wrote

I'm not sure what you mean by 'high tech', we support theoretical sustainable technology that could conceivably be developed in the future, as well as current technologies that can be made sustainably (e.g. hammers, scythes, eyeglasses, anesthetic).

We're under no allusions of it being advanced technology, especially in comparison to what capitalism gives us (by completely disregarding our health and environment in favor of advancement).

What postciv does is gives regular people (that are too accustomed to a capitalist existence to completely give it up) a little tunnel in their minds they can burrow through, in order to embrace the idea of a world without (current, destructive) technology. By leaving room for theoretical sustainable tech in the future that may or may not ever exist, they're a lot more willing to listen to our ideas.

It lets us bring these ideas to a much wider audience than primitivists will ever manage with your 'no medicine, no post-stoneage tech, fuck you' dogma.