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TimmyCatChores wrote

I'd also like to know, if science is not your authority for truth, what is?

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mofongo wrote

A more important question is what is truth? Is a collection of data truth?

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amongstclouds wrote

Truth is just a word that attempts to create legitimization by submitting to 'authorities' when in reality 'truth' is only something that individuals themselves can come to understand.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Who you are is contingent on the culture in which you live.

If you were born in a tribe 30,000 years ago, you would not be the same person, and you would not have the same truth.

If you were born into a present day Brazilian tribe, you would not be the same person, and you would not have the same truth.

We don't create anything without shared ideas. We don't create anything that works consistently without a shared truth. That's how science and technology evolved over time, after climbing out of trees.

If you don't need to do anything, you can believe whatever you want. If you don't need help from any one you can do what you want.

If that's the case for you, it sounds great, but people in the world need to share absolute truths in order to survive.

Absolute truths like: if you don't eat, you die, and the general desire to live.

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amongstclouds wrote

We're not a hive-mind. Culture is still the conglomeration of individuals interacting with each other. But go ahead and do what you continue to do.

You are not on Raddle for positive reasons.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Don't tell me what I'm doing, when you couldn't argue your way out a paper bag.

You are not an authority because you say you are.

Block me if you don't want me calling out your bullshit. Be a good sport.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're the one acting like an authority and trying to dictate what people should think.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

no. asking people to explain themselves is authoritarian. It's common sense in a forum.

What planet are you on?

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amongstclouds wrote

You disregard anything you don't agree with. You keep doing this and will continue to do this.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you haven't said a bloody. It's just hot air.

Don't think everyone is going to let you get away with nonsense.

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amongstclouds wrote

I see right through you. You're not subtle.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

again. no meaning. just a simple ad hominem.

You have no idea what to say about anything, now that the jig is up.

You bullshit all day, won't you?

You'll keep up the charade all day, every day. Wow, what a life.

I see you

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BigGeorge wrote (edited )

Greetings conrade!

I am the man behind raddle, he who hath created all of this using my immense fortune, and I am so thankful for your service to the cause!

You are truly a grand example of a radical free thinker! You are the only one who understands that we must shape the next generation to overcome the brutal reality that curses our generation!

Everyone pay attention to this great social justice activist! Learn from them!

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Calling out bullshit is what rational-skeptics do.

Mkay?

So get used-to it. You might as well block me, because I don't play this shit.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're literally playing games.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you haven't said a thing. It's tough shit that I called out your bullshit.

If I see you post bullshit, I'm going to call it.

Don't troll me any more. I'm asking nicely.

Don't even respond. Just ignore me. I don't have time for children trying to find a group identity. Your's is bullshit, and I will call it out every time, so stay away from me.

Be a good sport...with your bullshit.

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amongstclouds wrote

Critiques of science aren't asking us to not use the scientific method but to understand how it can be manipulated and used for exploitative purposes -- but your attachment to 'Truth™' can be dangerous.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

But you need to tell me how you determine the truth.

You can't just tell me I'm wrong, you need to explain how I'm supposed to do it right.

Left is a left PHILOSOPHY forum. Asking for an explanation is argumentation, and it's solidarity.

All I'm getting here is 'science doesn't know everything', which is fine, but you give no concrete explanation as what relevance that has in real life.

It seems like an excuse to say "I'll believe whatever I want".

There's no detail to the argument.

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amongstclouds wrote

I never said you were wrong but was explaining the purpose of critiquing the scientific process. I never said science doesn't know anything.

You just want answers that agree with you and you decide to dismiss anything other than that as 'right-wing thought' or whatever buzzword you can come up with. Did you come from leftbook?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

This is too abstract. I've forgotten your point was regarding the thread.

Don't worry about my manners. That's why the blocking feature is there.

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amongstclouds wrote

Then block me? Because you're the only one being hostile.

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amongstclouds wrote

I wish things were as simple as you try and make them out to be. :(

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TimmyCatChores wrote

You don't give an answer ever.

Explain yourself in more than just 'I don't like that idea'. There needs to be reasoning for your words to merit influence. It's philosophy. <shrugs>

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amongstclouds wrote

Again, just because you disagree with someone's opinions doesn't mean they aren't giving you an answer.

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amongstclouds wrote

“It is not the slumber of reason that engenders monsters, but vigilant and insomniac rationality."-Deleuze

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Lets look carefully at the discourse.

If you're not raising the level of understanding for people, and just saying "I don't like it", it's not working for rational discourse.

It's like "I don't like what you say but have no obligation to explain why".

That's simply disruption.

I love to learn. That's why I ask people to explain themselves. That's how to learn.

Here, asking someone to explain themselves is 'authoritarian'.

On my posts, I call bullshit bullshit.

If you're not here for the same purpose, I do not accept disruption.

If I need to do what I did on FB, which was ban a thousand people so I could have space, I guess I'll need to do that if I decide to put more effort into the transition.

I'm going to start with the people I consider bullshiters on this thread, so they don't bother me on other threads.

Solidarity and collective thinking go together. I'm not looking for banter from guys who just do that. I'm looking to work.

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BlackFlagged wrote (edited )

If you don't want anyone to talk to you, why don't you just make a forum, post what you want to say, and then lock the thread so no one can offer their perspective?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Well it is a question for me, the relation between mental health and activism, which is a focus for me.

It's pretty simple to expect to not be attacked in the mental health forum for talking about legitimate psychology.

The accusations are getting intense from people who are anti-psychology.

That's not anything sensible in the real world of real work.

How can there be cohesion between anything if I can't relate activism to real science, in the absence of mumbo-jumbo anti-science?

I just at least be able to say anti-science is bullshit in the mental health forum.

I'm kind-of confused that people think that's OK.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

It's just wrong and Whack. And it seems to be 'normal' here. It's saddening and discouraging. <sigh>

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amongstclouds wrote

Yes, and I gave you a response in our original interaction and you disregarded it because you don't like it. Jump on down from your moral pedestal for one moment.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're hurting your own cause more than helping anything... and for the best, you seem to want things to be your way and ignore the individual concerns and desires. You're literally ignoring an entire aspect of existence as a conscious being capable of interacting with the environment.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you need to quote what you're talking about, because there's no relevance to this conversation anymore.

You don't seem to have a point about the topic.

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Pop wrote

It takes a lot of work to answer these questions - for now it might be preferable to just read what others have to say on this site in general