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TimmyCatChores wrote

How does this apply to social justice activism?

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mofongo wrote

What makes you think it has appliances in that area?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Education is a need many contexts for all people.

Children have a need for education, and science is part of education.

Science is responsible for the technology that everyone takes for granted. To not teach science is to prevent children from being able to fill their needs in modern society.

That's social justice. All justice is social justice for a social species.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

No I don't. because that seems to be your point. That science isn't always right.

That's fine, but has no relevance whatsoever to any sort of activism. It's just like a general paranoia.

If it means more than that, you certainly have not explained it.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

All you do is accuse. That's really nasty, and you never say a meaningful thing.

I've lost the point with all this adolescent bullshit

What exactly is your purpose?

What do you need from me?

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mofongo wrote

That's a lot of assumptions that you expect me to accept at face value and it would be very unscientific of me to do.

What is a need? Why is education a need? How does it correlate with other needs?

What are the other parts of education?

How does knowledge of science allows children to 'fulfill their needs in modern society'?

What is preventing people to teach science to children?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

did you really not answer me, and just ask a lot of defecting questions?

lets just call it a day friend, i don't have free time to play around like this.

You couldn't answer the question without bullshitting, so you lost.

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mofongo wrote

  1. You did not ask a question for me to answer, you just stated your opinion.

  2. I'm not deflecting because my questions are relevant to (and obtained from) your comment and needed to understand what you mean.

  3. For someone interested in truth, I find it laughable that you don't recognize the Socratic method.

Finally, this was not a competition and I'm not interested in a cerebrum measuring contest. You totally misread me.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

"For someone interested in truth, I find it laughable that you don't recognize the Socratic method."

What is that?

"I find it laughable."

This is too juvenile for me to continue.

You wrote a lot of words, and said absolutely nothing.

Try harder, or give up. You can't hang in the argumentation dept.

Give me a run for my money. <sigh>

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mofongo wrote

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method

You wrote a lot of words, and said absolutely nothing.

Try harder, or give up. You can't hang in the argumentation dept.

Give me a run for my money.

I won't show the good stuff until I'm sure that I will get a run for my labor voucher.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

I'd also like to know, if science is not your authority for truth, what is?

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mofongo wrote

A more important question is what is truth? Is a collection of data truth?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Who you are is contingent on the culture in which you live.

If you were born in a tribe 30,000 years ago, you would not be the same person, and you would not have the same truth.

If you were born into a present day Brazilian tribe, you would not be the same person, and you would not have the same truth.

We don't create anything without shared ideas. We don't create anything that works consistently without a shared truth. That's how science and technology evolved over time, after climbing out of trees.

If you don't need to do anything, you can believe whatever you want. If you don't need help from any one you can do what you want.

If that's the case for you, it sounds great, but people in the world need to share absolute truths in order to survive.

Absolute truths like: if you don't eat, you die, and the general desire to live.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Don't tell me what I'm doing, when you couldn't argue your way out a paper bag.

You are not an authority because you say you are.

Block me if you don't want me calling out your bullshit. Be a good sport.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

no. asking people to explain themselves is authoritarian. It's common sense in a forum.

What planet are you on?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you haven't said a bloody. It's just hot air.

Don't think everyone is going to let you get away with nonsense.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

again. no meaning. just a simple ad hominem.

You have no idea what to say about anything, now that the jig is up.

You bullshit all day, won't you?

You'll keep up the charade all day, every day. Wow, what a life.

I see you

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BigG wrote (edited )

Greetings conrade!

I am the man behind raddle, he who hath created all of this using my immense fortune, and I am so thankful for your service to the cause!

You are truly a grand example of a radical free thinker! You are the only one who understands that we must shape the next generation to overcome the brutal reality that curses our generation!

Everyone pay attention to this great social justice activist! Learn from them!

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Calling out bullshit is what rational-skeptics do.

Mkay?

So get used-to it. You might as well block me, because I don't play this shit.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you haven't said a thing. It's tough shit that I called out your bullshit.

If I see you post bullshit, I'm going to call it.

Don't troll me any more. I'm asking nicely.

Don't even respond. Just ignore me. I don't have time for children trying to find a group identity. Your's is bullshit, and I will call it out every time, so stay away from me.

Be a good sport...with your bullshit.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

But you need to tell me how you determine the truth.

You can't just tell me I'm wrong, you need to explain how I'm supposed to do it right.

Left is a left PHILOSOPHY forum. Asking for an explanation is argumentation, and it's solidarity.

All I'm getting here is 'science doesn't know everything', which is fine, but you give no concrete explanation as what relevance that has in real life.

It seems like an excuse to say "I'll believe whatever I want".

There's no detail to the argument.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

You don't give an answer ever.

Explain yourself in more than just 'I don't like that idea'. There needs to be reasoning for your words to merit influence. It's philosophy. <shrugs>

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Lets look carefully at the discourse.

If you're not raising the level of understanding for people, and just saying "I don't like it", it's not working for rational discourse.

It's like "I don't like what you say but have no obligation to explain why".

That's simply disruption.

I love to learn. That's why I ask people to explain themselves. That's how to learn.

Here, asking someone to explain themselves is 'authoritarian'.

On my posts, I call bullshit bullshit.

If you're not here for the same purpose, I do not accept disruption.

If I need to do what I did on FB, which was ban a thousand people so I could have space, I guess I'll need to do that if I decide to put more effort into the transition.

I'm going to start with the people I consider bullshiters on this thread, so they don't bother me on other threads.

Solidarity and collective thinking go together. I'm not looking for banter from guys who just do that. I'm looking to work.

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BlackFlagged wrote (edited )

If you don't want anyone to talk to you, why don't you just make a forum, post what you want to say, and then lock the thread so no one can offer their perspective?

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TimmyCatChores wrote

Well it is a question for me, the relation between mental health and activism, which is a focus for me.

It's pretty simple to expect to not be attacked in the mental health forum for talking about legitimate psychology.

The accusations are getting intense from people who are anti-psychology.

That's not anything sensible in the real world of real work.

How can there be cohesion between anything if I can't relate activism to real science, in the absence of mumbo-jumbo anti-science?

I just at least be able to say anti-science is bullshit in the mental health forum.

I'm kind-of confused that people think that's OK.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

It's just wrong and Whack. And it seems to be 'normal' here. It's saddening and discouraging. <sigh>

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TimmyCatChores wrote

you need to quote what you're talking about, because there's no relevance to this conversation anymore.

You don't seem to have a point about the topic.

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TimmyCatChores wrote

This is too abstract. I've forgotten your point was regarding the thread.

Don't worry about my manners. That's why the blocking feature is there.

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Pop OP wrote

It takes a lot of work to answer these questions - for now it might be preferable to just read what others have to say on this site in general

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