Submitted by Zerush in Science (edited )

The UFO phenomenon (now called UAP - Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) causes curiosity in everyone, including the CIA. The main US spy agency has declassified the data it has been collecting on this phenomenon for decades. The information has been published on the intelligence website The Black Vault (2780 pages).

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

Roughly 500 MEGABYTES of documents. On CD-ROM, not even DVD, lol.

Welcome to the future.

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Zerush OP wrote

They are something more than 500 Mb, they did not fit in a Floppy 5 1/4.. Anyway 😏

In any case, it does not hurt that they begin to clarify things and end this with the infinite UFO yes, UFO no, of conspiracy pages, allowing a serious investigation on an existing phenomenon.

At the very least it is an interesting read of historical documents

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

I noticed there's a broader institutional movement of admitting to the existence of the phenomenon. Even Popular Mechanics, a notoriously "skeptical" outlet, have admitted to it in a recent article, while also saying they don't know wtf UFOs are. Which is perhaps the most honest reporting I've seen on the matter. For a media outlet.

So yeah these are interesting developments.

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Zerush OP wrote

Certainly, the sightings in recent times, especially by pilots and even a filming made by the ISS, already leave little doubt that these phenomena really exist. Apparently the authorities have realized that the concealments in this regard are counterproductive.

It is not only the CIA or other US institutions that take it seriously, but also those of other countries, such as Belgium and some Latin American governments that have created state research centers dedicated to these objects.

At YT there is obviously a lot of crap about it, although the other day I came across one, perhaps the most compelling of all. A capture made by a photographer, normally dedicated to aerial filming using drones, who has filmed two or three UFO videos, accompanied by analysis of speed, height and trajectory. Very interesting, (in Spanish, although understandable)

https://youtu.be/5grzNv1iuz4

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cretin wrote

I've had an interest in this subject for many years. Regarding what is now called the UAP phenomenon, looking at things like the 3 declassified videos acknowledged by the Pentagon (Tic-Tac, Gimbal videos etc) and some of the figures involved in this much-publicized present-day version of UFO 'disclosure', I'm starting to think that it reeks of some kind of US psyop - possibly a cover story for advanced weapons / craft research, development & testing..a lot of the figures involved in the current disclosure movement have very shady backgrounds, Luis Elizondo for example is a former terror suspect interrogator...I think a lot of other people involved in UFO research etc have come to similar conclusions. Personally I still like to think that we have been visited, but I think these incidents are actually quite rare when you eliminate all the hoaxers, grifters and government disinfo, and yeah I find this current willingness by the Pentagon to talk about UFOs and the whole rebranding to UAPs to be shady as fuck. Having said that, I really appreciate the work that the Black Vault does by filing so many Freedom of Information Act requests.

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Zerush OP wrote

Yes of course. The guy filmed the bird to show how he calculate the speed. The second, because I do not know of any drone or other vehicle, capable of accelerating from zero to MACH 2,5 in nothing and in silence. Behavior that was also reported in other sightings by pilots and the military. Naturally they have secret projects with advanced technologies, but so much?

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Zerush OP wrote

I think the same and I also think that this suspicious secrecy does not inspire much confidence. But it is not only the USA that speaks about this issue, but also governments of other countries, the EU included. In any case, pilots, soldiers and other witnesses are no longer automatically declared insane and scientists can now investigate on this subject, without risking their professional career. Therefore it will also eliminate these information from esoteric and conspiracy pages, so counterproductives.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

It's funny how these sort of declassification of documents always happens when society is getting a little too lit. oooooh but aliens.

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

There's at least one argument against the "UFOs/UAPs are man-made secret weapons".

These things have got a recorded history going back thousands of years before they got really trendy, post-WW2. You got biblical and plenty of other archaic or more primitive witnesses of either flying objects or supernatural non-human entities. One can also easily make an equation between Greys and demons/angels (think of those angels sitting at the exit of Jesus' tomb, that reportedly looked like "thunder", or the mysterious notion of being "anointed").

Another argument would be the extremely exotic nature of these objects, in how they seemingly avoid basic laws of physics., as well as being able to completely vanish. With all the tech developments we got since the war, it'd be very surprising any military could come up with such tech, in the space of only a few years, as they were already struggling to master rockets and the nuke.

That's not an argument for these things to be space aliens tho. More like of being from here... but another "here".

If, say, humans at some point develop the ability to fold space and time -which is scientifically unlikely, but let's just pretend- then what would this means for being at a same given space?

You end up "life-hacking time".

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cretin wrote (edited )

Just to make myself clear, I meant that I think the current UFO/UAP craze touched off by the release of the 3 videos (tic-tac, gimbal etc) represents a disinfo cover story for some kind of military research and/or testing of new craft. I was very unimpressed by the 3 videos and don't think that they showed anything out of this world.

Regarding UFO history besides this whole pentagon UAP disclosure thing, I remain extremely open-minded as to what they could be. Like you said, "these things have got a recorded history going back thousands of years"...and I agree with your comment and some of the theories you have proposed are very interesting.

I just don't think that if we ever get 'disclosure' that it will come from government or military sources, hope I made myself more clearer with this comment.

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AnarchoDoom wrote

So you were saying that recent cases like the tic-tac incident are a kinda fake "disclosures"? I get that compared to other, way crazier incidents (like, say, the Phoenix Lights thing not so long ago) they feel like arbitrary,

That'd be some byzantine level of perception management, but it's possible.

It could be many different things going on behind the curtain.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

... so like, having never heard of this site before, I went in with a skeptical eye. Immediately, I think, oh yeah, this is complete conspiratorial bullshit. and then I start looking through the files. Ancient Mayan computers. Okay lol. Then I look at other sources. Nothing. Then I figure out, wait a sec, the site is legit. and now I'm like ... ancient Mayan computers @_@

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