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TimmyCatChores wrote

I'm not here for adolescent banter. I need to know if I need start blocking people.

The shame is idea that "anything anyone says is true" passes for anarchism and social justice activism.


leftous wrote

I think you're missing the point here.

We're all here trying to learn from eachother. If you claim to have complete dominion on the truth and respond aggressively to people, you're never going to be able to convince or teach people anything. There are ways to civilly and fairly disagree.

Although I do think the labelling of your ideas as authoritarian was unfounded and unfair. I also think your characterization of anarchist individualism is also unfair. I recommend checking out Emma Goldman's (who is an anarchist known for her blend of collectivist and individualist ideas) explanation where she describes right-wing "rugged individualism" as antithetical to true individualism.


TimmyCatChores wrote

If you're going to write this:

"I also think your characterization of anarchist individualism is also unfair"

You need to define "anarchist individualism".

Why do you think your definition is a rule?

This is a problem of subjectivity.

The only way any one learns their identity is through the culture, we can only have our psychological needs filled by other people, and we can only get justice from the system if we act collectively. That's the beginning of collectivism.

Where does "anarchist individualism" fit in that?


leftous wrote

I am not saying my version of individualism is a rule, but rather that right-wing individualism ("rugged individualism") is self-contradictory since it oppresses the individual. Anyone who actually values the individual would oppose it. So associating it with anarchist individualism doesn't make sense.

Anarchist individualism on the other hand values free association and self-determination. It opposes the oppression of individuals.

The desirable form of collectivism is one which acknowledges, and doesn't suppress, the individual. So in this sense, individualism can work in concert with collectivism. When the collective is all that matters, and the individual's ability to choose how to live is disregarded, it leads to oppression and harm (psychological and otherwise).