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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

The mortality curve - average survival rate based on weight - peaks at overweight (BMI 28) and follows a pretty consistent slope throughout so that the average lifespan of someone with BMI 21 is about the same as that of someone with BMI 35.

Second and more importantly, please provide a list of all of the diet studies in which more than 50% of the participants kept all of their lost weight off for more than two years. I have an answer for you: zero. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Further, losing weight and gaining it back is worse for your long term health, especially cardiovascular health, than staying fat.

I am a very fat guy. I have an apple with breakfast every day, only one coffee and all of my other drinks are water, I have other fruits and vegetables during the day - yesterday I had some tomatoes and cucumbers, I have big meals but no desserts, and I exercise for thirty to forty minutes three to five days a week. I've been doing that for years, and I'm still a very fat guy. That's my life. Now you're going to call me a liar, because you the great somniosus have ESP and know for certain that every fat person everywhere pigs out all of the time.

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plast wrote

Obesity is proven to shorten your life span up to a decade as well increasing complications in surgery. Its not healthy any way you slice it. And losing weight is good for you obviously if you gain it back it hurts because you'd be fat again. You're either lying about what you eat or trolling me. If you eat a proper diet you wont be obese. Only a fraction of a fraction of the population has obesity due to """endocrine issues""" and even then that only contributes to a small part of that obesity. Being fat is privilege and a damn dangerous thing.

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BunnyBop wrote (edited )

-Thinks obesity is a disease

-Thinks having said disease is a privilege

Uh, okay, buddy.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

You didn't answer my point. The overwhelming majority of people who lose fat gain it back. Point to a treatment program proven to work for over half the patients in the long term.

Until then, you're wasting everyone's time. I'm not going to answer your further comments until you have an answer backed by published, peer-reviewed, repeatable clinical studies.

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plast wrote

Are you kidding? You can lose weight and have it stay lost. Its not my fault the average person's poor understanding of nutrition causes them to eat fake health food like coke zero or take on impossible diets that work as short term fix rather than a lifestyle change. Hears a treatment plan, excercise and eat right in a sustainable way.

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BunnyBop wrote

I know nutrition. I've been to doctors about it. Guess what, asshole? Still fat.

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plast wrote

I've stopped caring at this point you guys won or whatever

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

So then you have a study to back it up. Right?

It's not hard. If I asked whether vaccines save lives you can find proof. if I ask whether antibiotics save lives you can find proof. If I ask whether exercising improves health outcomes you can find proof.

So find me some proof that long term fat loss is possible.

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plast wrote

Skinny people. I really dont know what to tell you. I dont know how you think long term fat loss is impossible.