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plast wrote

Fatphobia is a joke. I can understand if you have a low income or weren't lucky enough to receive proper food education. But its one of the dumbest things ive heard in a long time. Obesity is a dangerous illness. Period. Corporations take advantage of poor education and bad laws to hurt people. Fatness is not something that should be celebrated. Its not healthy. Its a result of capitalism and it hurts people. Saying we should patch the issue by "accepting fat" is one of the most liberal things i've ever heard. We should work to spread good information on how to eat right and helping people eat right. Maybe if your friend is broke help him buy some better food. Those who eat like shit and can afford not to while demanding acceptance for their over-indulgence make me sick to my stomach. Your problem isnt real.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

The mortality curve - average survival rate based on weight - peaks at overweight (BMI 28) and follows a pretty consistent slope throughout so that the average lifespan of someone with BMI 21 is about the same as that of someone with BMI 35.

Second and more importantly, please provide a list of all of the diet studies in which more than 50% of the participants kept all of their lost weight off for more than two years. I have an answer for you: zero. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Further, losing weight and gaining it back is worse for your long term health, especially cardiovascular health, than staying fat.

I am a very fat guy. I have an apple with breakfast every day, only one coffee and all of my other drinks are water, I have other fruits and vegetables during the day - yesterday I had some tomatoes and cucumbers, I have big meals but no desserts, and I exercise for thirty to forty minutes three to five days a week. I've been doing that for years, and I'm still a very fat guy. That's my life. Now you're going to call me a liar, because you the great somniosus have ESP and know for certain that every fat person everywhere pigs out all of the time.

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plast wrote

Obesity is proven to shorten your life span up to a decade as well increasing complications in surgery. Its not healthy any way you slice it. And losing weight is good for you obviously if you gain it back it hurts because you'd be fat again. You're either lying about what you eat or trolling me. If you eat a proper diet you wont be obese. Only a fraction of a fraction of the population has obesity due to """endocrine issues""" and even then that only contributes to a small part of that obesity. Being fat is privilege and a damn dangerous thing.

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BunnyBop wrote (edited )

-Thinks obesity is a disease

-Thinks having said disease is a privilege

Uh, okay, buddy.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

You didn't answer my point. The overwhelming majority of people who lose fat gain it back. Point to a treatment program proven to work for over half the patients in the long term.

Until then, you're wasting everyone's time. I'm not going to answer your further comments until you have an answer backed by published, peer-reviewed, repeatable clinical studies.

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plast wrote

Are you kidding? You can lose weight and have it stay lost. Its not my fault the average person's poor understanding of nutrition causes them to eat fake health food like coke zero or take on impossible diets that work as short term fix rather than a lifestyle change. Hears a treatment plan, excercise and eat right in a sustainable way.

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BunnyBop wrote

I know nutrition. I've been to doctors about it. Guess what, asshole? Still fat.

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plast wrote

I've stopped caring at this point you guys won or whatever

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

So then you have a study to back it up. Right?

It's not hard. If I asked whether vaccines save lives you can find proof. if I ask whether antibiotics save lives you can find proof. If I ask whether exercising improves health outcomes you can find proof.

So find me some proof that long term fat loss is possible.

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plast wrote

Skinny people. I really dont know what to tell you. I dont know how you think long term fat loss is impossible.

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BunnyBop wrote

If you lived as a fat person then you'd see the problem is very real. Harassment towards fat people is common. I've been singled out for it in public, I've been told I'm a disgrace to my family and country (lol like I care), and in general have received the message that there is something deeply wrong and broken about me because I'm fat. Do you think receiving those messages is healthy, oh well one?

Cut the crap. The reason you don't like fat people isn't because of some health concern or even because of capitalism. Do we blame anyone else for the negative effect capitalism has on them?

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plast wrote (edited )

Of the problems I can currently think of, normalizing disease isnt something i think is way up on my list.

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ziq wrote

So you also advocate shunning people with other 'diseases' I guess?

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plast wrote

NO. I'd be mad if someone with cancer said "get cancer its actually healthy". And dot put disease in quotation marks because fatness/obesity is an illness not a body type.

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ziq wrote

How is being ostracized from society because of how you look not real? And why are you assuming people are 'over-indulging' because they're not thin? That's bullshit.

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plast wrote

  1. Bullying people for looks is not ideal. But encouraging poor health is intolerable

  2. If you have the money to pay for a healthy diet you're making a choice not to.

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GrimWillow wrote (edited )

Disagree.

  1. Don't bully people for their looks, it's not just "not ideal", it's not necessary. The alternative to bullying people for their looks is not "encouraging poor health".

  2. I know people personally that have conditions in their life where they have enough money to eat healthy, but due to other problems, they have excess fat. You're still assuming that they're over-indulging. That's some harmful shit right there.

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supernice wrote

but due to other problems, they have excess fat

^ This! It is a huge assumption to say all obese people are just gluttons with no self control. This is far from the truth and is just mass generalization. Truth is, you can't know unless you know the individual. Even then, some will likely not tell you if they have a health issue that is a factor in their weight because it's a private matter.

I agree that we need to help in any way we can to spread good dietary principles, IF asked, but assuming others just don't care about their health is just lazy thinking.

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BunnyBop wrote

Bulling people isn't just "not ideal", it's dangerous. How is tolerating the harassment and dehumanization of fat people for the sake of concern trolling acceptable to you? Cause I know you don't really care about my fat ass.

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plast wrote

Encouraging fat is the real danger. I'm not trying to dehumanize you. I dont care about you and I've never seen you in my life. You can be fat even, its your choice. But, when you encourage others to think obesity is okay, thats a major issue.

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BunnyBop wrote

My dude, when you talk about my body itself as a disease, you are dehumanizing me. You are reducing me down to what you see. Being fat is okay. It may or may not be healthy, but it is okay.

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plast wrote

Being fat isnt okay. This isnt a moral point. This isnt my preference. This is biology. Scientifically being fat is unhealthy. And i never said "your body" was a disease, I said your condition is.

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BunnyBop wrote (edited )

lol "This condition" is my body, you nerd. "Okay" can mean different things in different contexts. Morally, being fat is okay. Health wise, who cares? It's not your body. The fact that you are so clearly disgusted by fat people is most definitely not okay either way.

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plast wrote

Morally, being fat is okay

Promotion of destructive culture and higher healthcare costs for me. I'm not disgusted by fat people by the way. Some people are fat that I find attractive. Some people are medically obese and I cant tell. My issue is when people reify things like fatphobia and say being obese and healthy is possible.

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BunnyBop wrote

I frankly don't care about the health thing, but "reify things like fatphobia"? Dude, I've been telling you it's a thing as a fat person who experiences it and you aren't going to erase that. Do I need to give you examples?

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retiredaccount wrote

encouraging poor health

I haven't seen any encouraging of it; just encouraging self-acceptance and not insulting and ostracizing people for it.

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plast wrote

Fat is unhealthy. Saying its acceptable encourages poor health. Thats it.

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BunnyBop wrote

And why the hell do you care about other people's health so much?

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plast wrote

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BunnyBop wrote

Why are you scapegoating fat people for an inefficient system that makes you pay for it in the first place? You're problem shouldn't be with fat people, it should be with capitalism and the healthcare industry.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

If bullying people for being fat helped them to be thin, there would be zero fat people anywhere.

I heard "fatso" and "lardass" and "fat fucker" before I was a teenager and dealt with plenty of tears and depression because of it. And thirty years later, I'm still fat.

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Dumai wrote (edited )

Those who eat like shit and can afford not to while demanding acceptance for their over-indulgence make me sick to my stomach

so fuck anybody with a mental illness then? not like overeating is a commonly recognised symptom of depression or anything!