Submitted by TheNerdyAnarchist in Queer (edited )

I've actually been enjoying a lot of James's videos lately - they're not perfect, obviously, but they're usually pretty well thought out, well executed, and informative.

This particular one is sticking with me because he pretty much nails exactly why I've used "queer" to identify myself over the past several years....when I started to accept that I wasn't straight, "bisexual" pretty much meant "everyone"....then people started saying it was exclusionary and only meant attraction to binary genders....then it started opening up again (in the right circles).....and then there are pan and omni, which kind of mean the same thing but don't really, and then...............

It's a clusterfuck that I don't have the energy to get involved in or debate, nor do I care to keep updating my "identification" just because The Discourse™ has decided that the label I was comfortable with means something else this year, and it's now exclusionary.

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tuesday wrote (edited )

my personal beef with queer as an all access pass is that for me (and i suspect other folks who were into gay shit in the 90s) queer is political, queer is a statement against the status quo, a rejection.

so Tim and Tom, two white guys in the DC metro who just want to get married, live with their pomeranian, and run their VC firm in peace and quiet doing yoga in their sun drenched exercise room before brunch with the boys... what are they queering? they want to assimilate.

in my mind calling everyone in the marginalized gender and sexuality milieu "queer" renders it meaningless as a challenge to cis-sexist hetero-patriarchial capitalist and colonialist understanding of gender and sex.


lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

It's funny u say that because I used to like this YouTuber somewhat but their liberalism and assimilationist because so great I got disgusted with them. So much that. Can't watch him anymore. And their use of queer is exactly what u r talking about. It's wit the purpose of assimilating queerness into neoliberal immperialist society so queers can do oppression just as much as cis hets

Queerness is on eof the better ones but it's something I notice with mod identify based anti oppression movements they are often just complaining about how they wanna be an oppressor. Which almost makes me wanna support them being oppressed lol.


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TheNerdyAnarchist OP wrote

Yeah, I can totally get that....I see baby gays trying to "take back" the F word, and as someone who's had it hurled at them while a group of dudes beat the shit out of them, I have a hard time keeping myself from swinging any time I hear it, no matter whose mouth it comes out of.


Fool wrote

I think we could start by making a Queer Anonymous group.

Anyone have suggestions for shortening the name?