Submitted by AreWeDeadYet in Privacy

Suppose you have two trusted parties. Party 1 has a bank account and is prepared to have all of his financial transactions tied to his real digital fingerprint. He wants to send money to Party 2 who lives far away, though in the same country. Not "huge" money either.

Party 2 cannot have his real digital fingerprint associated with any new financial transactions. However, he would be prepared to associate a "pseudonymous digital fingerprint" with these new transactions. For example, receiving money under an alias.

What are some ways other than crypto this can be achieved?

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Cash in mail

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Zerush wrote (edited )

That is what I mean, only needs a Mailbox with a (fake) name. Post service and the Postman have other things to do as to prove that the name on a postcard is real, they only need the adress to deliver it. Even can be a mailbox of a friend or family.

Instead of cash, a bearer check can be the same, if it does not exceed a certain amount, it seems to me €400, it does not even require identification at the bank.

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AreWeDeadYet OP wrote

I did not include this in the scenario but, suppose Party 2 does not have a reliable mailing address. A PO box could be rented but I assume such services require identification.

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flingwingin wrote

i mean if youre super invested then you could probably get away with using a fake ID for general delivery at a post office, cause they just take a glance to make sure you have an id matching the name on the parcel. Thats if you're in the US ig.

really tho why not just crypto? the whole thing with crypto is that before it, you had to either send cash in mail, give a store your card details, or use paypal. (well, once paypal came around also ig). Use localcoins/localmonero to cash out, tho ud need an address for that too maybe idk. Not many in person sales there, mostly cash in mail and bank money related stuff, but its worth seeing if its an option where Party 2 lives

also there's drop shipping but fuck that work to find a place just for some cash

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__0 wrote

If you had a third trusted party they could drop of the item somewhere inconspicuous, I'm just thinking of the times I've found peoples wallets and not wanted to bother meeting up, I've been able to claim that I lost the wallet outside a nearby business that I can trust to not strip the wallet of valuables, I found the person on social media based on the ID. And messaged them there to let them know where to go to pick up their wallet.

This works great if you're in the same city as someone, but if not a trusted third party works great.

Classic drop locations include lockers in public pools gyms etc Less common now train stations due to terroranoia. Large objects like bags can't be left out in public spaces for long due to suspicion OFC,

But it's easy to leave something like a film canister with some keys in it buried somewhere inconspicuous, or better yet have multiple keys cut and placed in Multiple public locations. Picking up keys that are found on the ground Isn't a very suspicious action, and it provides security due to the fact that not all locations can be surveilled at once.

I mean you can easily get creative with these kind of things.

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tuesday wrote (edited )

Non reloadable gift cards do not use verification for identities.

If party 2 is willing for party 1 to know of a mailing address party 1 could sign up for a pre-paid debit account in their own name but send party 2 the physical card.

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moonlune wrote

yeah do like scammers do if you need anonymity on both sides :)

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die_fackel wrote

Go old school XD If the parties live in the usa (maybe works other countries idk), they could send a westy using a secret question

Western Union doesnt do it online, you have to go into a real-ass western union store or else one of the physical grocery store type kiosks that do it (not a digital in-store automated kiosk they have some places, has to be a real "western union" desk behind the register at like a customer service counter)

Party 1 tells the wu agent 1 that theyre trying to send money but the person they're sending to (party 2) doesnt have id, so they want to do the secret question option. Party 1 still has to give id and pay with cash or debit, but they just have to give a state where the recipient is, the name that the recipient will give as well as a question and answer for the recipient. When the recipient goes to pick up, theyll go to a western union at a grocery store or wherever and say they're there to pick up and answering a question since they dont have id. They give the name + money amount and the wu agent asks the question and they have to answer. The sender has to make sure they have a way for the recipient to know the exact name, amount sent, and the answer to the question. Costs like five bucks up to 15 or 20 depending on hot much "not huge" youre talking. no idea if they have a hard limit on secret question vs normal transfer but they do three, maybe four digits usd...

Can be done more than once to a person and one person can send to several folks without raising eyebrows, but i imagine theres a level of scrutiny that might come into play if lots and lots of money is being sent in such a way repeatedly. At least questions raised. Its usually the sort of thing people use when they, say, get in a bad spot traveling and lose id and money but can contact friends or family for help... or when people get scammed by someone claiming to be such a friend in a tight spot XD

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