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MHC OP wrote (edited )

Reply to comment by ChaosBomb in Ideologies by MHC

The quantum scale is a froth of existence <-> nonexistence. And a stock market index takes a random walk. Thus divine purpose is false!

Following abuse at work, I lost faith in authority.

In Al Khobar, the council had planted shrubs and put metal cages over them. Then I saw the local Arabs taking off the cages and setting goats to graze upon the shrubbery! So causing the suffering of ecological consequences--does not require mass industry!

Indeed coping with neurotypical preferences, is the bane of my life! When a Big Boss discarded my month's work--a psychologist advised me that all I could expect from work, was getting paid.

I have found social structure to be a minefield, to which hazards I am mostly blind. Following yet another botched encounter, I require much time working out what had gone wrong! Yet folk demand I be fluently cluey, on the fly.

Social norms are foreign language to me.

People want lots of things to go away. A technophobic friend wishes he were decades earlier!

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ChaosBomb wrote

Reply to comment by MHC in Ideologies by MHC

What are absurdism and nihilism for you?

Absurdism just the existential philosophy that pertains to being aware of one's recurring desire to find any inherent meaning or value in life/existence and the inability to actually find it, because the absurdist has reached the conclusion that such meaning or value does not exist. Nihilism is merely the lack of belief or faith in something; it's a catch all term, but one could be nihilistic about different things: someone could easily be political nihilist but not a moral nihilist, for example.

What do you dislike about social structure?

If I wrote down everything I dislike about social structure, I'd be writing a book, but the biggest factor is the inability to truly escape it: industrial civilization has grown and consumed so much that even people who live independent of it will be forced into suffering under the ecological consequences that mass industry causes. If you're born under it, you must participate in it before you can escape: years of schooling and working are bare minimum requirements if you want the state to leave you alone. You have to have money to buy land, materials for shelter, and you need to learn skills that are no longer common knowledge because society in its current form has more use for someone who knows how to operate a computer than for someone who knows how to grow food. It's a structure that forces dependence and conformity and regularly punishes those who fail to match up to its standards.

Please explain that life experience to someone of a different culture.

It would better to instead relay my perspective through a common experience. You are also autistic, so I assume that you are aware of how frustrating and confusing allistic people can be; since most people with some form of authority are allistic, you've probably lived under their thumb and their arbitrary judgments; my frustration with social structure is similar to my frustration with social norms (especially since the former creates and enforces the latter); I have no reason to like any social structure and all of the justifications that I've heard didn't hold up to my scrutiny, so I want to make it go away.

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MHC OP wrote

Reply to comment by ChaosBomb in Ideologies by MHC

What are absurdism and nihilism for you? What do you dislike about social structure? Please explain that life experience to someone of a different culture.

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ChaosBomb wrote

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It might help to explain what you're into.

Into what? Also, Me or anarchists in general?

In what way do you feel different?

Anarchists are generally united under the singular goal of destroying the world (as we know it); the details of which (how much to destroy and what the world would ideally look like) varies among the various strains; but we generally agree that Capitalism, the state, and the nation should be erased along with inequalities born from them. This makes us the opposition to some +6 billion human beings who don't want that.

Were there any formative experiences that led you to where you're at?

Yes. Quite a few actually.

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Ikeepforgetting wrote

While psychologists have a horrendous history, but you can take from their work without taking everything.

I think you're missing the benefits of a diagnosis... and also about 20+ years of research into neurodiversity.

Firstly your statement just seems weird, of course people are going to make up words, if you don't have a word to define something, then you define one, if you start on this path, nothing is real.

In order to gather empirical evidence (I don't want any of that imperial evidence you're selling, sounds like another name for propoganda), people must first define something, also known as making shit up.

To see you point at psychology for lack of evidence is pretty funny given that for a very long time psychology dismissed social work theory (i.e. the lived experiences of women helping people in the community) due to not having an empirical base... Only to suddenly start having these breakthroughs when men brought these same theories up as the science of psychology.

By defining a condition, the approximate traits are identified so that similar people can be classified in order to build empirical evidence.

Narcissistic personality condition does not mean the same thing as how most people use the word narcissist. Narcissistic personality condition sounds fucked up.

I think there is something personal in your statement, that you don't want a diagnosis telling you or someone you know that they're disabled. But a diagnosis doesn't mean that something needs to be fixed, it provides a something to reflect upon, to improve understanding of the diagnosed person. Maybe it will fit, maybe it won't, but still a chance to grow. (Note, generally they need to be specifically specialised in the condition to provide a decent assessment)

In regards to links to genetics, maybe only one study on narcissism linked it to genetics, but also many studies linked other neurological conditions to genetics so many it's not a stretch to point to genetics when 9/10 related conditions also have links. Environmental and physical factors beyond genetics decide how the condition will effect a person's life, but if the genetic component isn't there, the other bits don't cause it.

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MHC OP wrote

Reply to comment by ChaosBomb in Ideologies by MHC

It might help to explain what you're into. In what way do you feel different? Were there any formative experiences that led you to where you're at?

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CivilizationsEnd wrote (edited )

If even a few of us are manipulative psychopaths (of course we know it’s not a few, there are millions of them all across the world, and they permeate all layers of society, including in places where they benefit the rest of us), then no I believe that is a problem with human nature. If we can’t accept that we are variable enough to produce the most selfless heroes and the most wretched torturers, then we will simply repeat the same mistakes again and again

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lastfutures wrote (edited )

Say what you will about the problems with proletariat versus bourgeoisie, black versus white, colonized versus colonizer, woman versus man; it's a hell of a lot better than empaths versus psychopaths. It's like they only took the worst tendency from those other dichotomies, the individuating pathologizing morality. The problem isn't systems started thousands or hundreds of years ago - capitalism, civilization, patriarchy, racism - it's a few bad brains! Non-functioning empathy-centers!

The implications of this kind of framework are monstrous (anti-Semitic conspiracy type shit being the obvious one). Like, it totally takes all complicity off of everyone and places it on a few othered & pathologized people.

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ruin wrote

At least Gillis says something amusing on occasion. This article peaked with the ironic and amusing intro and then proceeded to say absolutely fucking nothing. Apparently awareness of the sociopaths lies will save all us good people. Funny. That’s almost as simple as “Oh, well just stop.” So what was the point of this text again???

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ChaosBomb wrote

Reply to comment by MHC in Ideologies by MHC

Yeah, you and a solid 99% of the human population.

Feel free to give voice to these findings at anytime.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

Reply to comment by MHC in Ideologies by MHC

That's fair. I think I get carried away with my posts sometimes, I forget I'm dealing with real people. Hope you're having a swell day.

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