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The coming collapse of liberalism

Submitted by EdgyIndividualistBuffoon in Politics (edited )

Liberalism (the modern, post New Deal sort, not the classical liberalism of J. S. Mill so commonly butchered by right-libertarians) is a dying ideology that has only ever been powerful when it served as a capitalist safety valve, releasing the social pressures built up by a powerful socialist and communist movement. When it is responding to the Left it has some measure of vitality and intellectual substance; I'm a big fan of J.K. Galbraith's The Age of Uncertainty and was quite astounded by how subtle and even radical parts of it were.

However, ever since the collapse of the American socialist movement in the 60s and 70s and in particular since the collapse of the Soviet Union a generation ago (which provided no real strong moral or economic challenge for decades at that point anyway), liberals have been primarily responding to the right wing, to their detriment. It is one thing to provide a less risky compromise to the politics of revolution. It is quite another to merely dedicate yourself to crushing the working class a little more slowly or to smile while doing so.

This has led a to a hollowing out of the Democratic policy-creating apparatus, a breakdown in the formation of new ideas, the abandonment of whole swathes of the population with a smug "where else are you gonna go?" attitude, and in general a total collapse in intellectual and moral integrity. This much is clear to any informed observer of politics and the electoral results don't lie.

We can even follow a sort of history of groups responding to each other: for a few decades, when liberalism was ascendant after responding successfully (with more than a little help from violent State repression) to the Left, a whole tradition of "intellectual" conservatives arose to respond to it in turn, attempting to move past the old open oligarchy and praise of unregulated markets and cold indifference to the poor.

The first major sign of liberalism's decline might have been the quick die-out of these intellectual conservatives after Reagan and their replacement with vulgar hacks who didn't even deign to hide their open bigotry or Gekko-like greed - why bother when liberalism was quickly losing the ability to challenge those things? The class of intellectual conservatives today includes David Brooks (himself closer and closer to a caricature) and a tiny handful of others; they serve primarily as a way for liberals to feel like they are reading and respecting different opinions, which is why they inhabit places like The New York Times instead of writing for newspapers that conservatives actually read. And now liberalism is following in the footsteps of the vanishing Brooksian tribe.

Until and if (for there is no guarantee) liberalism regains a sense of moral justice and a desire to engage with its socialist critics, you can expect the following tactics to be used almost exclusively: substance-free mocking, smearing, doxxing and attempts to get people fired or ostracized from their friends and family, and attempts to silence and no-platform critics. They don't have ideas and they don't have arguments, so this is what they are reduced to. It's a very poor hand to be playing and I suspect many of them know it, but they don't have a choice in the matter.

So one thing they keep pushing are idiotic comparisons between socialists and neo-Nazis - and a big part of this is the forced attempt to make "alt-left" a meme. If we are the alt-left then we're just as bad as the alt-right, don't you know? Only those in the middle are smart and reasonable and everyone else is dumb and evil.

Fight back against this nonsense. Reframe arguments to be about justice & freedom. Point out the awful smear and silencing tactics in lieu of of actual argument and debate - start pushing actual ideas. Liberals have little or no responses to any of these things and they will get quickly frustrated; no matter, you're arguing to audiences, not people tied to a quickly dying ideology. We can and will make inroads with those who are wavering in their beliefs.

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theblackcat wrote

start pushing actual ideas

This is something centrists are woefully ill-equipped to counter.

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tnstaec wrote

There's an old saying, "He [sic] who stands for nothing will fall for anything." If that doesn't describe liberalism in a nutshell, I don't know what does.

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SpiritOfTito wrote (edited )

What they've been trying to do for a long time, and largely succeeding, is removing the power of the proletariat to be replaced by a precariat. You now have migrants, escaping the hellholes their countries have become under capitalism (look at mexico where coca cola are sucking wells dry. Columbia where coca cola are killing union leaders. Africa where oil spills poison the water and wipe out entire villages).

This migrant precariat class (alongside the native precariats) beg to be exploited. Thats why I have co workers bragging about the free hours they work overtime for their company.

This precariat is grateful to be exploited because the only thing worse under global capitalism is to not be exploited. Because in that area you are outside of fhe box like the homeless, who find themselves under repeated savagery like having their sleeping bags set on fire because they are considered "outside of the box of civilisation and probably have earned their poverty through degeneracy."

Our job is not to convince liberals. Liberals are shits that have sided with fascists over communists every single time including one of the greatest disasters of the twentieth century when Stalin proposed an anti fascist force to crush nazi Germany in its cradle.

The american and british liberals in parliament and congress chuckled to themselves, deeming a war imminent and preferring fascism as it kept the power structure of capitalism in place.

From letters and communications released we now know the US and British were hoping on a war opening up between the ussr and Germany which would allow the west to subdue the winner of such a war.

Never trust a liberal.

But under heaven there is chaos - the situation is excellent.

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zod wrote

Even if it collapses, what are the odds its replaced with something better? Knowing how warped humanity has become under capitalism?

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foggymorn wrote

If we are the alt-left then we're just as bad as the alt-right, don't you know?

I'd love to see the looks on their faces when the fascists have finished murdering everyone on the left and set their sights on the center...

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ConfettiEggnog wrote

Meaning, legally you are not guilty. But morally you are far lower than the fascists. The fascists are bound to do that by their ideology. It is not a plan, a conspiracy. Yet you know what this is going to and you do nothing to stop it.

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_ziq_ wrote

Don't worry, the centrists will already be goosestepping by that point.