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sudo wrote

There's an old idea that's even better than this, and it's called worker ownership of the means of production.

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nishi_jochiro wrote

The workers don't have enough time to do all the many administrative tasks to keep the company running. Wait a co-op you say? Well co-ops never grow very large (for obvious reasons) everything would be a small business. But there's nothing wrong with that is there? Well it would mean no large industrial plants could ever happen - say good bye to things like computers and cars! But wait isn't this the old system except its on a smaller scale and everyone is getting paid equally! Well at least everyone has equal pay. But that brings up the question do the lazy members of a business deserve the same pay as the productive members? Without some form of meritocracy the industrious members would find no reason to put in anymore effort than the mediocre, lazy ones and either quit or become mediocre and lazy themselves. The result of this would be a product that reflects the lowest common denominator of the society!

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sudo wrote

You misunderstand. Socialism doesn't mean no managers, it means democracy in the workplace, and no surplus value. Everything you said hinges on your misunderstanding about there being no managers, so all the other things you said wouldn't happen.

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nishi_jochiro wrote

Yeah but who are the "Democracy Makers" the people who "manage" all the votes. There's also the problem of all of the many administrative tasks which require decisions to be made how many times are all the workers expected to stop working and go vote. Also even if it was perfect mass democracy you have to consider there is only a very small percentage of brilliant people compared to the average worker. I would rather put my trust in decisions from a person who knows what they are doing rather than the majority of factory workers.

Instead of a democratic system where a mass amount of mostly no-nothings make decisions. It would be better to pick leaders based on what they have contributed to the company and others within it for their specific job.

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notanaccout wrote

Well there's your problem. You think poor people are dumb. They're not!

Actually socialist systems can totally have systems where the amout of invesment alters the weight of your vote.

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Enkara wrote

My socialism means a "love for ones people" rather than a "gimme free shit"!

Sounds like National Socialism to me...

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_ziq_ wrote

you're not a socialist and you have no understanding of socialism.

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ziq wrote

Just a friendly reminder that this site has a 'no platform for fascists' policy. Check out voat or reddit, they love fashes.

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nishi_jochiro wrote (edited )

YAY now no one has to actually work! Let's just leech off the government! (The only concern is how long it will last...)