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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

Listened to this. Have had an increasing sense of diverging from Bellamy in his views with certain things, despite what I assume remains a lot of overlap in green anarchist thinking.

Some of his comments, like around him being willing for there to be racist bolos / racist decentralised societies seemed to be very friendly to a kind of national-anarchist view. I think that there are generous ways to interpret what he said that would undermine this, but I'm not sure.
For example, I do think that if the world was radically decentralised that race wouldn't exist so this would be largely a non-issue, but it definitely wasn't portrayed in this way. Bellamy seems fine with the racists going and having their nation by themselves. This would assume that they stuck to themselves and didn't use their base as the grounds for projects of racial domination and for the rebirth of a dominant civilisation, which is where a big problem lies for me, even at that scale.

There are literal racist secessionist movements in some of the places that I live, and substantial land projects - entire towns of white people. Those spaces are the grounds for racist organising, as well as spaces for racists to retreat to and hide. Racists don't stick to themselves.

He went out of his way to say that he thinks biological sex exists, which I assume is shorthand for saying that he thinks that binary biological sex is real, which is a shitshow, and I think his comment where he highlighted how oppressive anarchists think that in an anarchist society everyone will be queer is hard to read outside of a kind of queerphobia and an active avoidance of understanding queerness differently.

I'm not sure how much this ties to his new perrenial-philosophy based approach to metaphysics but I suspect there is a relationship.

His whole repeated 'joke' about being a paradigm of reason give a sense of a kind of superiority complex and a resentment, which is a shame to see.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Tbf, for all of a lot of thems' faults, I seriously doubt you'd ever see someone in the chapo orbit defending racial secessionists. And yet, these anarchist philoso-bro podcasters go out of their way to put their foot in their mouths. Certainly you can critique both, and this might be a bit unpopular... but sometimes I wonder why people gave and give a pass to bellamy, dr bones, etc for this genuine endorsement shit but jump outta their seat when thos chapo libs make clearly satirical jokes that make no sense unless interpreted through the lens of antiracism.

Anyway, all podcasters are bourgeois

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

but sometimes I wonder why people gave and give a pass to bellamy, dr bones

Because most people are suckers for people who can string words together in ways that reinforces how they already feel. It's like when u/shanc was disregarding any and all criticism of Bellamy and sayings things like: 'while I thumb through my copy of -insert Bellamy book- as if it made him look like a galaxybrained radical.

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celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )

Confirmation bias is pernicious everywhere

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shanc wrote

Made up quotes are pernicious in leftist circles. Surprised to see people going along with them here.

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shanc wrote

I was referring to the made up quote above. I've never said I was reading a Bellamy book, in fact the only thing I've read by him is the magazine Backwoods. I've never responded to criticism of Bellamy's work by the above person because I've never seen any - just obviously made up stuff about private social media conversations. This pernicious behaviour has already made leftist spaces so toxic, and is now doing the exact same in anarchist spaces.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

I agree people like you are toxic. If you hadn't deleted the conversations I'd quote you.

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shanc wrote

perhaps you could find this elusive smoking gun quote in one of your replies to me?

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shanc wrote

I've never said anything like that. Please refrain from making shit up about me.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Just because you deleted the post doesn't mean you didn't say it. You never pulled yourself out of that rabbit hole.

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shanc wrote

Remind me what I said in this deleted post that only you and your socks have read...

P.S. Already looking forward to your next ragequit, comrade

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Just like a good little Aragorn-fan craving drama. Maybe one day you'll actually crawl out of the rAbBiT hOlE.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

They sure keep very strange people in their circles, oh but don't say it out loud or you're just some drama loving maoist. But the shit continues to pile up. Aragorn loves his drama and loves selling books that feeds the drama that feeds more book sales.

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shanc wrote

gave a platform to "anarcho"-nationalism

?

ITS

The communiques are now available from Active Distro - largest anarcho distro in Europe - so don't forget to add them to your blacklist too!

Wolfi

Why wouldn't someone publish Wolfi's outstanding translations of Stirner?

Try harder, comrade. You're never going purge anyone with this weak sauce.

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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

gave a platform to "anarcho"-nationalism

I assume what's being referred to here is when Aragorn did a The Brilliant episode or two with a national-anarchist

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shanc wrote

When was this? I haven't heard that episode.

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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

This is the one that showed up when I searched it.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Manc is gonna quote the final paragraph as if giving a disclaimer means you aren't giving them pedestal to talk upon.

hahahahaha

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shanc wrote

To be clear, after this process of discovery of the Tribes/National Anarchist position, I reject it entirely.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

HAHAHAHA YOU DID HAHAHA OMFG JAHAHAHAHA

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shanc wrote

ultimately, I can’t get on board with their program at all (which was obvious from the beginning but I use this as an opportunity to go through something in good faith and wash away all the cruft and grime to really see what’s underneath).

Not the final paragraph, comrade. If this isn't your thing can I recommend the IGD podcast? Or libcom? New Syndicalist might be more you.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

You're so mad and I love it. LOL

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shanc wrote

Yeah I'm seething, that's why I'm posting three comments to every one of yours, creating alts with your ex-nick, angery smashing my keyboard in all caps etc.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

This is just so precious.

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shanc wrote

And downvoting all of my comments from your alts.

Clouds: there is literally nothing you can say to make me delete my account on here like you've done to so many other people. You and your internet friends (friend?) can't purge me. Give it up.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

Watch out he'll probably wanna bomb you for being an anarchist and then encourage others to dox you like Aragorn!

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shanc wrote

Active Distro? I wouldn't say they're ITS biggest fans. They prob just think the communiques are interesting reads and aren't afraid to read somehing that they don't already agree with 100%

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

afraid to read something

It's like you're a brick wall. By that I mean boomer-lite.

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shanc wrote (edited )

I diverge with him mostly on this new 'world building' habit he's picked up. For someone who used to be against this kind of thing, he now spends a lot of time imagining fantasy future scenarios and toying with how best to deal with this or that problem. I find those conversations tedious.

him being willing for there to be racist bolos / racist decentralised societies seemed to be very friendly to a kind of national-anarchist view

I didn't hear that at all. I heard him say that there'd always be racists and that there's no way of dealing with them that isn't authoritarian. I don't really have any thoughts of this because, again, it's a scenario that only exists in his imagination. The real life white supremacist communities you're talking about are something else and I'd be very interested to talk about them and how to deal with them but that's a different conversation.

if the world was radically decentralised that race wouldn't exist so this would be largely a non-issue,

He seemed to think this wouldn't be the case at all. Personally, I'm undecided - it's not something I think about often because it's straying into 'what if?' territory, which I associate with 'After The Revolution' fantastical thinking.

He went out of his way to say that he thinks biological sex exists, which I assume is shorthand for saying that he thinks that binary biological sex is real

I didn't hear it as that, but if that's what he meant, then yeah that's shitty.

in an anarchist society everyone will be queer is hard to read outside of a kind of queerphobia and an active avoidance of understanding queerness differently.

The exact same joke (which is what I heard it as) is in one of the Baedan journals, which I'm guessing is where he got it from.

His whole repeated 'joke' about being a paradigm of reason give a sense of a kind of superiority complex and a resentment, which is a shame to see.

Wasn't that Aragorn's joke that he kept repeating back? idk, their sense of humour is kind of weird to me as someone who isn't from NA, but I never for a moment thought that he was actually saying he was a paradigm of reason.

Thanks for your reply. There's an Oak Journal podcast with Bellamy recorded around the same time as this one that you might be interested in.

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An_Old_Big_Tree OP admin wrote

I'm going to go ahead and delete whole accounts created just to fight with people, like this.

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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

if the world was radically decentralised that race wouldn't exist so this would be largely a non-issue,

He seemed to think this wouldn't be the case at all. Personally, I'm undecided - it's not something I think about often because it's straying into 'what if?' territory, which I associate with 'After The Revolution' fantastical thinking.

Perhaps with time you will come to understand my anarchism more and notice how what I thought has nothing to do with 'after the revolution' thinking. Unfortunately I don't have the energy to explain it at the moment.

in an anarchist society everyone will be queer is hard to read outside of a kind of queerphobia and an active avoidance of understanding queerness differently.

The exact same joke (which is what I heard it as) is in one of the Baedan journals, which I'm guessing is where he got it from

I would be interested to read that section if anybody can come up with it.

Aside from that I appreciate your responding. I'm not going to listen to it again to think through what you've said, but I am pretty sensitive to people's word choices and presentation generally so I generally feel confident about what I said.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Just another reactionary pretending to be anything but a reactionary.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

You know now I find it even funnier about that time I decided to ask Aragorn how he could be okay working with a transphobe like Bellamy and Aragorn decided to go full-blown politician and deflect, deflect, deflect. All Aragorn could do is bring up my 'cartoon pfp,' and deflect some more. There's no hiding it now.

How about you u/shanc? Or did you never leave that 'rabbit hole,' you found yourself in during the 90's? :)

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shanc wrote

Still going with this, comrade?

No hiding what? Have you finally found the transphobia you've been looking for all this time? Can't wait to see the smoking gun at long last.

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Muh biological gender.

crying about muh bay area queers

You never left that rabbit hole and you have zero problem deleting your posts and claiming you didn't say something. You're just a cowardly old reactionary with a hard-on for people who flirt with reactionary ideals.

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