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existential1 wrote

During my 1st psychedelic experience, I had a very clear presentation of "the order of things".

It went something like this:

  1. The Universe
  2. Objects in it
  3. The language objects use to describe the Universe

As #3 is twice removed from #1, it could never be a tool used to fully encapsulate it. Queue months, maybe years, of not bothering to talk to people because anything I say would not possibly convey what I really meant nor could it do anything but create further derivatives from the Universe that were themselves less qualitatively related to the source. I might still be there.

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subrosa wrote

That sounds very familiar. It bothered me to no end that there are things I cannot say, that language creates a problem (a philosophical twist, a confusion, a misunderstanding) that we cannot solve using it. That "insight" comes with all sorts of twists and turns, it forced to get comfortable with a very general uncertainty. (Which I sometimes like to stress as necessary for anarchy.)

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existential1 wrote

I agree with your last sentiment so much that I linked this article a long time ago: http://homepages.warwick.ac.uk/staff/David.Tall/pdfs/dot1994a-gray-jrme.pdf

It's about the concept of a "procept" which is to me what anarchy is. It's an object, a process, and a symbol.

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subrosa wrote

Looks a bit heavy for post-midnight reading, but I'll check it out, thanks :)

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existential1 wrote

Yeah, obviously this is a mathematics article which scares some people. But honestly there aren't any super complicated things in the article at all. And if you read it with the idea that anarchy, too, is a procept...it should be an interesting read.

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