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ziq OP wrote

What is it with laymen and making up random ass distinctions between ethics and morality all the damn time

"Laymen." Demonstrating further how academics think they're enshrined with authority because they've read other academics self-perpetuating dogma and now parrot it endlessly and thoughlessly as if it's the word of god.

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ziq OP wrote

Started here:

https://old.reddit.com/r/AnarchismZ/comments/n0dg0l/morality_vs_ethics_by_ziq/

I think I understand the point the author is trying to make but it’s obvious they are completely unfamiliar with and illiterate regarding the philosophy of ethics—it’s so bad it isn’t even wrong. It reads, ironically, more or less like self-righteous posturing nonsense and while some meaning can be wrenched out of this piece it isn’t worth the trouble.

You just described a general trend in post-left literature. Talk about topics you don't understand, redefining words on a whim to suit your purpose, presenting old ideas as original, while posturing incredibly hard.

The only postie with interesting ethical views I can think of is Gillis, though why he insists on identifying this way when he disagrees with the rest of the current so much and gets sent death threats over it baffles me. And he still manages to put both feet in his mouth at the silliest times.

In light of the spam over the past 24 hours people in this sub should probably be made aware of who the author is and why they're (in)famous.

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ziq OP wrote

It's very true that I'm "illiterate" in academic philosophy. What that has to do with my choice to be ethical but not moral, I have no idea. All the reds are telling me my essay is 'incorrect' , 'flawed' and 'nonsense', but not one of them has explained why, except to gesture vaguely to other undefined ideas that mine apparently conflict with.

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monday wrote

Imagine being a big philosophy nerd and you are pissed bc someone is not using the accepted definitions nor is writing an academic paper full of empty citations.

Don't worry, one of the things I like in your efforts is how you try to simplify big words. Sometimes we don't need a social science major to talk about this stuff. And some of them are just reacting bc is written by ziq

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CaptainACAB wrote

I just read the essay; no real problem with it, though I feel like I've read similar ideas before. Maybe there was another discussion here that you've participated in that involved ethics and you've made your position before. I dunno, I haven't read many texts related to ethics or morality.

Anyway, the anarcho-marxist-leninists don't get that language is malleable and that rules pertaining to words and definitions are more like guidelines ; redefining words is a common practice, you ever notice how slang exists? What good is their academic elitism if they can't even use your definitions to criticize your essay? This mode of thinking where you're forced to abide solely by your own definition of things is an inflexible one, and bleeds into an inability to make a worthwhile critique. Even if people don't give a shit about their own contradictory beliefs for the most part, it's far more effective than a Christian going to a Pagan and saying "bruh, you're a fucking heathen" and expecting anyone who isn't already a Christian, or at least anti-Pagan, to agree. It doesn't persuade anyone and that's what these types are all about, so what the fuck is this other than circle jerking?

Yeah, I know I'm doing the same thing, but I'm aware of it and pointing it out, so from a MORAL standpoint, I'm somehow better.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

This isn't a new essay, I wrote it in 2018. I just put it on theanarchistlibrary and patreon for the first time.

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CaptainACAB wrote

Then I probably read it when I decided to make my account and read pretty much everything on the wiki.

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ziq OP wrote

It was accidentally merged into the expertise vs authority wiki for a while because it was integrated into that essay in the LBC book. I seperated it into its own wiki when I noticed the mistake the other day. You either read it there or in its original form as a raddle post.

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