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conservative_raddle_fan wrote

Right, denounce the only liberal democracy in the Middle East...

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ziq wrote

Is that what the kids are calling fascism now?

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conservative_raddle_fan wrote

!!!Full disclosure: My mother was jewish.

Saying Israel is fascist is VERY anti-semitic. Israel has done more to fight fascism than any nation in the world. You think you're making a joke but it's actually very offensive.

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RedditSuuUuUuUUuCKS wrote

Israel has done more to fight fascism than any nation in the world.

By re-implementing full blown fascism and a colonialism that would make the dutch swallow their pride?

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supernice wrote

I made an account just to respond to the ridiculousness of you :)

My mother was Jewish.....LOL. This is such classic Zionist bullshit. "My uncles cat's favorite chicken flavored turtle neighbor Archibald was Jewish!" is how you guys object to everything. Get over your fucking self. I don't give a shit if your mother was, is, or is going to be Jewish. Your momma doesn't have shit to do with this.

Netanyahu is the fascist king of a fascist state. Simple. Nothing more to it. Own your shit asshole, be proud of it, don't pretend it's not what it is. You support a fucking fascist, at least have the guts to admit it.

Now go collect your paycheck from whatever Zionist hasbara firm you work for as you've likely met your quota today and go drown in a lake or something.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

You think you’re making a valid point, but it’s actually very offensive.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Also, how is calling a STATE fascist anti-Semitic?

The only way is if the state is defined by the “Semitic” race, which makes Israel a race based state. There’s a word for that, which is “racist,” which happens to be a cornerstone of fascist dogma.

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geegaw wrote

You'd think a people who have been under the heel of ethno-nationalism (which Zionism is) should know better than to institute it themselves.

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retiredaccount wrote

shit rojava isnt a democracy ???

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Dumai wrote

well it certainly ain't a liberal democracy but i see your point

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retiredaccount wrote

its something much better

generally I just respond to that as if they said "democracy" because if i go "its the only neo-nazbolshevik-baathist" thats pretty arbitrary of a definition to use to proclaim superiority

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Dumai wrote

i have no idea what you're trying to say with that neo-nazbolshevik-baathist thing

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mofongo wrote

It means right wing/reactionary.

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Dumai wrote

but ba'athism and zionism are both very particular ideologies that don't really warrant comparison to nazism (national bolshevism, even), or to each other

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retiredaccount wrote

I'm saying that adding arbitrary descriptors lets me say anything is the 'only' of something, which itself is meaningless.

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Dumai wrote

ok but "liberal democracy" describes a very real form of government that can and should be criticised

dunno how to do that if we're calling the word "liberal" an arbitrary descriptor

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retiredaccount wrote

their implication was that israel is the best by arbitrarily using "liberal democracy" to discount other democracies

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Dumai wrote

as a patrilineal jew (arguably not a jew at all but if we're playing this game then my cards are on the table, i guess) i'm pretty disappointed by the quality of the left's discourse on israel but a liberal democracy is absolutely worth denouncing and so is the occupation of palestine

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MrPotatoeHead wrote

Maybe I'm wrong, but some people don't like the behind the scenes control that Israel seems to pull off so well.