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Dumai wrote

to be honest i'm really hesitant to call it a genocide and i don't really like the company that would put me in - but if you can't call it genocide you can at least call it ethnic cleansing

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ziq wrote

What would you say is missing before it can be labelled genocide?

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Dumai wrote (edited )

i don't necessarily mean to say it isn't. what i do mean to say is that i'm not sure and so far i'm unimpressed by most of what i've read on the subject. this guy, for instance, seems to think the only reason israeli jews get away with zionism is because they enjoy a privileged position of being viewed as "god's favourite", which is, uh, wow. i'd really rather give this more thought before i risk getting lumped in with that kind of guy.

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leftous wrote

You haven't really explained why it doesn't fit in with the definition of genocide. Genocide is "The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group". How does this not fit what Israel is doing?

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Dumai wrote (edited )

You haven't really explained why it doesn't fit in with the definition of genocide.

i don't know that it doesn't - and i have to admit i'm leaning more towards the conclusion that it does. i might need to do more reading on this subject. my point was more to say that if it can't be considered genocide then the violence towards arabs and their expulsion from this land certainly constitutes ethnic displacement (i.e. ethnic cleansing) if not an attempt at ethnic elimination, in whole or in part.

to be honest, the main reason i hesitate here is that i'd rather not draw too hasty a comparison between israel's actions and the holocaust.