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ziq wrote

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How can you e.g. plant crops or erect a building without destroying the natural environment that was on the site first?

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Highway wrote

You can plant trees and improve the natural environment as well as its productivity. Crops in the sense of broadacre crops are a little harder (though I've seen it done: a strip about 2-4m wide cleared in a forest to plant corn).

Says you: but you destroyed that 2-4m strip! Says I: trees come and go, and as long as the species still has a good population in the area I don't see a problem with utilising a few square meters. It's your daily bread, like when a wolf destroys/exploits a reindeer.

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kin wrote

But civilization is not about foraging and tendering food gardens we plant ourselves while we play with our friends.

Civilization is about 3 generations of slaves building a fucking monument for the a dead fucker be buried with his treasure. Civilization is about killing the USA equivalent population of animals every 2 days to feed us.

There is no midterm, there is no compromise. We could have alternatives a couple of millennia ago, not now. Now we don't have time to reform

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ziq wrote (edited )

Civilization doesn't occupy a few square meters, it occupies the whole planet. How does bulldozing millions of acres of pristine old-growth forest to build cities and then planting a few trees along the roads not destroy the environment? You just swapped billions of native, ancient trees for a few thousand saplings and an endless expanse of concrete, steel and asphalt.

but you destroyed that 2-4m strip!

Even with your completely bogus example or a civilization that somehow only spreads 4m wide, you acknowledge that civilization destroys the environment.

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Highway wrote (edited )

Even with your completely bogus example...

It's a specific example I saw in Veracruz. I have photographs.

you acknowledge that civilization destroys the environment.

I anticipated this point and already rebutted it before you said it, so I don't need to again.

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ziq wrote

It's a specific example I saw in Veracruz. I have photographs.

the photos only show 4m of forest replaced with corn. what about the other billions of meters surrounding it that paint the true picture of civilization? civilization isn't an isolated corn field, it's ten million corn fields and ten thousand cities and a rapidly encroaching desert.

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