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hasbrochem wrote

this is actually a really really good idea as they have large land holdings where they do farming (to test pesticides and such, but we can change that), agriculture; shut down their coal burning plant, make education free rather than continuing to drive people into deeper debt (gotta raise tuition to pay all those expensive lawyer and outside firm fees!)

I'm really liking this idea the more I think about it. when richard spencer showed up, anti-fascists showed up in larger numbers than were expected, so this could be something that really happens as the numbers are there

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Freux wrote

As I am in a situation to be able to make a choice between exploiting animals or not (food wise), I chose the latter. As an intersectionalist I totally agree with you on the problem of monoculture/agriculture and don't believe that veganism solve overall exploitation. Some people lower their footprint by small farming, others by hunting and/or gardening, some have no choice at all.

Soy is water intensive but it's even worst to use that soy to feed an animal that won't feed as much people as the soy would have done in the first place. Same with the water needed to keep an animal alive, those resources given to humans is a far better use of resources than feeding animals that will later feed so little folk compare to all the water and grains that it was need to feed that animal.

I'm strictly speaking about mass farming.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Soy's also seriously water intensive and the fodder makes up a significant chunk of the cost of livestocking in the first place. There's no good answer that involves a monoculture or agriculture as it currently stands, and that's the point I keep trying to make while Bird has his head up his ass. Your personal consumption won't change the underlying structures and even if vegans had any structural power to change them, without an understanding of agriculture beyond just meat = bad veggies = good they're only going to put us in a worse situation.

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rdsgyth wrote

Were the millions of people who laughed at Trump's boast that he was 'a very stable genius' really all being ableist?

I feel like we've gotten way too deep into The Discourse here. Seeing someone do something like eat raw pig's head or stab people and then sarcastically refer to them as a "stable genius", and thereby calling them the opposite of stable and/or the opposite of a genius are both intrinsically ableist.

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Freux wrote

all the factory farms and cows, we'd still have to step up agriculture to replace the loss of a food source

As far as I know soy beans are a common feed for animals in mass farming. Those beans could feed a lot more people than the animal could. The space those animal takes to mass farm is also ruining fertile ground. Same with water, takes a lot of it to feed animal and grow the food they eat when it could be use towards humans instead.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

  1. I understand what I'm talking about, don't play this game. There has to be a transitional period, but with the vegan all or nothing approach there won't be one because you can't grow enough food in that much time. Not happening overnight doesn't mean anything more than "I don't care about waiting even if it affects others". What gives you the right to determine that fate for them?

  2. Because it is broken, like you keep making me repeat myself. Being broken doesn't mean it's not the system we're living under right now, it's only the wealthy who get to opt out of it.

  3. Which in what way helps your point? Brazil's got a whole issue of its own with clearcutting of the rainforest and the cattle and crop barons owning everything in its rural zones. The importation of vegetables to different climactic regions so you can have some variety is part of the problem. Most animal feed is already fodder that'd be wasted. It's chaff and stalks mostly. To feed people the way we do now, which again I keep repeating needs to change, we need to completely overhaul or outright discard agriculture as it currently exists, and a transitional period can't do that fast enough without famine.

Not to be all internet tough girl but this is around the point you'd be losing teeth. Vegans across the board remain embarrassingly smug and self-absorbed. Your entire ideology is built around the judgement of the poor. You do nothing to help the world, you only serve as another drain on it. Acknowledge that.

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