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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

My white 60-something parents were on food stamps last year when my father's employer shut down. It just so happens that Trump is the first US presidential candidate in their adult lives that they didn't vote for. Not that it mattered - and they didn't vote for any of the opposing candidates either.

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mylastbreAth wrote

I hope for this someday.

if you're in a place to do that then do it.

my comrade roommate told me, there isn't one solution for everyone. to fix the world requires many solutions. deep because it's the truth that people easily forget.

my last breath, for a world of love and dignity for all

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celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )

Most working class white people voted for Hillary or nobody in 2016, if I recall correctly. Here's an article on the average income of different candidates' voters in the eprimaries: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/

and here's one looking at the exit polls for the election by income: https://talkpoverty.org/2016/11/16/stop-blaming-low-income-voters-donald-trumps-victory/

non-participation was around 40% of eligible voters in the election, and 45% of the voting age population (including felons and other disenfranchised people) http://www.electproject.org/2016g Most of these abstaining people seem to skew lower income, socioeconomically.

So in reality, it seems that working class people who support Trump have always kind of been a minority. a lot of workers are just apathetic-- they might casually support Trump, or Clinton, but they're not seriously invested either way because they know they're class enemies on some visceral level.

here's my take...there are individual working class white people who voted for Trump, and who feel attracted to his bullshit, but far and away Trump's base are middle class republicans who became "radicalized" into the right wing bullshit machine during 2008-2016. These middle class people have lost huge amounts of wealth due to neoliberal responses to the housing/financial crisis, and their racism was stoked by a multibillion dollar propaganda machine. Plus, a lot of these people were fucked up and mean types of people before any of that happened.

The "left" proposals so far have not appealed to them because ideas like minimum wage increases in fact make their economic position decrease even further, by raising prices & inflation while simultaneously letting their wages continue to stagnate. The implementation of serious economic reforms on healthcare and education would probably mean raising their taxes again from the level that Trump & the Republicans lowered them to, which means that even though they might benefit in the long term they will be unwilling to support these measures. As far as actual socialist politics, such as putting the means of production and ownership of companies in workers' hands, abolition of the police, decolonization, etc...these are people who have been ideologically and materially assimilated fully into the ruling class's pockets, they do not and will not view these proposals as in their interest-- and they are sort of right about that. They have always been the bulkwark against revolution.

working class white people, including white men, are mostly disengaged, and seem mostly just identifying with the cultural aspects of Trumpism if they identify with it at all, not really the class politics of it, the policies or anything substantial. They can and should be targeted for agitation.

But remember, Trump's middle class base isn't going anywhere because of their positionality. These people are very different than "working class" people, and will continue to support nationalist/fascist movements and candidates for a very long time.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

I know that my articles don't fully support my assertions about white people, I might be wrong on this, but I think if you exclude middle and upper class income brackets, white men of the working class may not have in net voted for Trump in 2016. But, again, I don't exactly have the figures to prove that.

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