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mike425 wrote

Refreshingly balanced article that doesn't pretend that gun control and disarmament will solve the problem of mass shootings, and instead makes the case for having more immediate armed responses to emergent threats.


Zzzxxxyyy wrote

How is this balanced?

First, the FBI data only shows that active shooters are increasing, not that armed citizens would help. So the article uses “FBI data” to give credibility to a preexisting bias that’s entirely unsupported by that data.

Then it goes and throws around some numbers without giving any source references.

Then it finishes with the conclusion, that the answer to gun violence is to have more guns and more people training to use them.

I’m sure if mass shootings were down the author would attribute it to armed citizens as well. So the conclusion has nothing to do with FBI data, but a pre-existing bias they wanted to write about.

This article is garbage, written and funded by the gun lobby.


mike425 wrote

The article specifically points out that several mass shooting incidents were stopped by armed citizens, and you could find the statistics used with a search engine. The only thing that stops someone that's wielding a tool of force, is someone else that's also wielding a tool of force. Gun Free Zones are the delusion that an imaginary line around a campus is going to keep out someone with the intent to harm.

Your talking points sound like they came straight from the /r/politics CTR circlejerk, who can't understand any solutions outside further restricting access to the wealthy elite right people, and 'Assault Weapons' Bans, because military-style rifles, their standard capacity 30 round magazines, and the people who own them are scary!
We the people are facing systemic corruption and tyranny in government, the likes of which haven't been seen since the 1700's, yet there are crowds that think throwing down our armaments is a wise and prudent decision, because think of the children.


Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Yea, so you went from stopping mass murderers to fighting the government. I grew up in the militia culture, nothing you’re saying is new. People who feel insignificant and powerless cling to guns as the answer.

Honestly, the reality of protecting yourself or others with a gun is complete bullshit when you work out how such scenarios would really work out. They’re always predicated on YOU being a rational person choosing the correct target and being prepared at the very moment to kill.

One only needs to look at gun violence statistics in countries with actual gun control laws to realize the pro-gun lobby is lying when they say, “Oh, nothing can be done, so buy more guns!”

Secondly, the US military’s capabilities FAR out match what citizens are capable of. All that needs to happen is for them to stop caring about civilian casualties (e.g. Syria) for them to crush any and all opposition. It’s pure fantasy to imagine any weapon you can personally purchase will help your cause against a degenerate US government fighting its own citizens.

You’re a right wing troll. GTFO


mike425 wrote (edited )

I caucused for Bernie, and I've referred to myself as a left libertarian and socialist.
US citizens wouldn't be fighting the military, the military would divide into factions.
You can't knock down my reasonable commentary, so I'm a "right wing troll".
That's so sad I'm not going to waste more of my time responding.