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Whatsthepoint wrote

Stalin was a fascist.

Hitler was a fascist.

King of Saudi Arabia is a fascist.

People of any political persuasion who seek to suppress, harass, intimidate etc. People of differing political persuasions, are also fascists.

Fascism is not linked to right or left.

George Orwell predicted that the next wave of fascism would be seen on the left.... pity some seem determined to prove him right.

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DissidentRage wrote

You are trying to dilute the term fascist so that it's harder to more accurately describe the positions, behaviors and other qualities of a particular group of people. By making it more difficult, you make it easier for fascists to roam free. Your argument is made in bad faith and everyone here knows it.

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ziq wrote

Especially when the guy is posing in front of an outright fascist painting. This user is either a giant troll, or completely unable to admit they are wrong.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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Whatsthepoint wrote

If this is your definition of a fascist, then this makes every single U.S. president a fascist in some fashion (no pun intended),

take a closer look, because I would say your sarcasm is not needed. https://uschs.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/house-speakers-rostrum.jpg

Those are literally fasces, celebrated, in prime position in the house of representitives. The US government IS a fascist government and has been for quite some time.

Fascism is not a political direction, it is a method for promoting a political direction.

It really worries me that this is not understood. The head of the UAF (unite against fascism) in the UK understands this, hes a nice chap, we used to go for pints together and talk about how to put the world to rights and fix broken films together.

Fascism is dangerous, donn't for a second think that it somehow magically stop existing once you get to the centre ground.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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Whatsthepoint wrote

It's not some similarity - they are exactly the same. They are symbols of fascism.

The swastika was / is the sign of a political party that subscribed to fascist political doctrine e.g. violence against people I oppose politically is aye ok

But the symbol of fascism is and has always been the fasces,

I'm a little suprised someone on here is fighting me on the idea that the US governement is a fascist entity that readily opresses people and enacts violence against those it opposes politically.

The UAF engages in the same activities you've declared are 'fascist'.

Much to his chargrin, there is little agreement in the top tier of UAF, about anything. takes em a day and a half just to agree on which pub to meet at.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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Whatsthepoint wrote

you are correct, Fascism is about more than just violence.

According to Lenin and others, Left wing fascism does exist. So perhaps you know more about left wing politics than the father of the Russian revolution, I don't know, while i've read a bunch of his stuff, I've not read any of your books, to make an accurate judgement to that end.

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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Whatsthepoint wrote

I'm not apealing to authority.

Just pointing out that your view, that fascism can only exist on the right, is the minority one, is not supported by the general consensus or backed up by fact or historical events.

If your knowledge was so epic and hyou were sure, it would be the simplest thing to explain to this idiot why Fascism can only ever exist on the right...yet, all i read are empty assertions and forum games, this I believe says much about the genuine thought you have put into this quandry.

"I like the left, I hate fascists, thing I like is immune to thing I hate" - thus far, you have demonstrated a thought pattern no deeper than that

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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ziq wrote

Fascism is a specific rightwing nationalist ideology. Not every tyrant is a fascist.

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Whatsthepoint wrote

Why is fascism only right wing?

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ziq wrote

Fascism is an open dictatorship of finance capital. Corporatism is a big part of the ideology. The rich owners sit at the top of a rigid hierarchy and the workers serve them. It's literally the polar opposite of any leftist ideology.

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ziq wrote

Dictionary.com

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Whatsthepoint wrote

"a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion".

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ziq wrote (edited )

dictionary.com:

any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism

any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc

You:

Fascism is not linked to right or left.

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Whatsthepoint wrote

dictionary.com is trash paid for by advertisers.

I thought I would give you credit by providing a more in depth definition. Oxford Dictionary:

1.1 extreme authoritarian, oppressive, or intolerant views or practices

You can be left wing, you can be radical, you can be anarchic communist, while still alowing other people to express their views, without punishing them

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emma wrote (edited )

BORN TO DIE

WORLD IS A FUCK

鬼神 Kill Em All 1989

I am trash man

410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS

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Whatsthepoint wrote

The original definition I gave was:

"a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion".