Submitted by tuesday in News (edited )

a lot of people get really up in arms when stuff like this happens, even anarchists. and like i think art is important but like, if no one does anything about fossil fuel art will outlive us. the painting wasn't even damaged.

i don't think this is necessarily effective but also, you know, it's not like anything I'm doing is "effective" either and they're certainly out there doing a thing when i am not, so that feels like an empty criticism. and what does "effectiveness" even mean? maybe this is the sort of thing that leads people to eventually do things with more concrete results later?

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fortmis wrote

I do hope the soup throwing trend catches on. I'd like to see some suits get doused.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

I love it. Also it makes reddit angry so its good.

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tuesday OP wrote

I've been called a fascist so many times today from people who are mad that we're deleting comments calling this ineffective and makes activists look bad.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

Oh shit I missed that thread :'(

Why did they do that? Anarchy isn’t just doing random shit

I agree, the random shit must be approved by chairman LL beforehand

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xox wrote

Why even delete those comments tho. Why not just let them get their downvotes

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tuesday OP wrote

Because it's entryism. We don't need liberal arguments for optics and respecting institutions to clutter up the sub.

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xox wrote

Why not let people discuss things though. Its an anarchist forum but saying misguided kids funded by oil companies are making activist look bad is too far? Its just weird

“ In April 2022, it was reported that Just Stop Oil's primary source of funding was the American-based Climate Emergency Fund. Through that fund, a notable donor to the group has been Aileen Getty, a descendant of the family which founded the Getty Oil company”

Just like greenpeace and their shady funding, there’s a possibility that they’re funded by people purposely trying to make climate movements get hated on and become ineffective. Look at extinction rebellion and their cringy campaigns where people painted their hands red to purposely get arrested. Or BP funding “carbon footprint” shit to blame individuals for issues that individuals shouldn’t be blamed for

Would you delete comments in support of nuclear energy as well?

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tuesday OP wrote

Just like greenpeace and their shady funding, there’s a possibility that they’re funded by people purposely trying to make climate movements get hated on and become ineffective.

Cool, why are we participating in helping to ruin the image by mirroring the liberals and the conversatives with our reactions. What exactly is radical about agreeing with angry liberals?

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Gardon00765 wrote

Cuz they dont get downvotes. They get slammed to the top by other liberals

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xox wrote

Wait so deleting comments because a lot of people agree with it? Also, the organization those kids are a part of is funded by oil companies lol

(Idgaf about a shitty old painting its just weird to delete comments angry at their tactic)

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

Century old strokes of paint on a canvas under a glass shield. London gallery. Preserved. Dead. It's not art.

Art is a moment, a message, a statement, a manifesto. Manifestation.

Is it "effective"? I don't know

Is it beautiful? Is it artistic? Sure

This single action worth more than all dead pictures in this gallery. This is how any art should meet its end.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

Let people spray soup on paintings, let them paint marble statues, let them graffiti on historical buildings!

Let cathedrals burn to ashes!

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lettuceLeafer wrote

putin was right. You left russia and now you have lost all great russian values. Next you will kissing black peoples feet as reparations and being against war. /j

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ChaosAnarchy wrote

so their twitter account talks about stuff like "holding up law and orders", I am really uncomfortable that anarchists fell for this potential FBI/pro-industry trap.

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tuesday OP wrote

I am really uncomfortable that so many people will immediate dismiss things they don't like as traps. It's literally impossible to do anything because we're all so paranoid about ops. No one is claiming they're anarchists, they are liberals who are willing to get arrested for agitation.

That's cool in my book.

A lot of liberals are mad about this, and the public is in an uproar. But there are a lot of other folks who are looking at this like 🤔 and thinking they could do this too. And since when do we care about liberals being mad? We have no problem making liberal mad when we smash out the windows of their favorite starbucks. Why all of the sudden are we so concerned about the liberals?

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lettuceLeafer wrote

if this is a serious question. Most anarchists care a lot more about ends than means and their hopes and goals are reliant on a mass movement. So optics is more important than anything if they wanna save the world. So sacrificing cool people who do cool things to appease normies is acceptable for the blessed ends and preserving their blessed optics. Like anarchy could ever possibly have good optics

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tuesday OP wrote

I think this is a fair point.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

oh yeah, I forgot you are more of a social anarchist than me. I forgot. Otherwise I would have said it in a nicer tone and not a circle jerk one. mb sry

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tuesday OP wrote

??

You're fine. I think you read something into my comment I didn't mean. I was agreeing with you.

I mean idk if I'd say that most anarchists are anything that generally, but I know that none of us are perfect and we're all still moving and working through our biases and traumas and will only ever have the frame of reference of our own experiences and thoughts. Some of us aren't at the point where we get means ends synthesis, they'll get there. Or they won't.

I have spent so much time this past weekend thinking about this and the anarchist reaction, and the broader left reaction. And I'm really just tired and sad about it all now.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

oh I knew you agreed with me. I just figured since you were more "a social anarchist" than me that I might have been needlessly snarky. I didn't think that you disagreed. I'm just trying to be more proactive at not being rude to people for no great reason. So it might not have bothered u. I just wanted to be sure. XD

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fortmis wrote (edited )

i feel like these two people are me if i had taken a wrong turn ten years ago

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