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go1dfish wrote (edited )

I'll need to see examples of this supposed racial discrimination

I'm not trying to talk about any specific races here.

You reject the definition of racism as "treating people differently based on their race".

I'm asking what you would term "treating people differently based on their race" as?

And I'm saying that criticizing "cultural appropriation" based on the race of the person doing it qualifies as "treating people differently based on their race"

When people are talking about "reverse racism" (I personally hate this term myself, racism is racism IMO) they are really just saying "treating people differently based on their race" not with the implied power dynamics you associate with the term.

Do you think "treating people differently based on their race" is acceptable?

"treating people differently based on their race" is quite a lot to type; which is why I wanted to try to find a agreeable term for it such as "racial discrimination" I don't think "white fragility" works because we're talking about a practice irrespective of the races or power dynamics involved.

Many people; myself included think it is wrong to treat people differently based on their race and that's what I mean when I say racism but I'm asking your help in finding a more acceptable term for it.

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zzuum wrote

If you don't like white fragility, than call it "punching up". Still not racism, racism is systematic. There is no systematic discrimination of whites.

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go1dfish wrote (edited )

"treating people differently based on their race" is an accurate description of criticizing someone for "cultural appropriation" based on their race.

In the case of Gwen stefani "punching up" fits sure.

But "treating people differently based on their race" is a description that also fits discrimination against minorities and I don't think "punching up" fits there.

So "punching up" is not a good term to cover the general idea of "treating people differently based on their race".

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zzuum wrote

Punching up does not replace racism. Punching up replaces what you seem to think "racism" against white people is.

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Luabeats wrote (edited )

You are right, but treating anyone badly just bc of their skin colour is bad in general. Just bc one race has power over another doesn't mean the oppressor should be attacked for their skin colour, they should be attack bc they are an oppressor. Fighting over definitions doesn't get anywhere when both systematic racism and ''casual'' racism is bad, on different levels, sure, but still just as bad as each other. All this crying about ''the whites'', when you should be tackling the actual problems and not getting caught in a trap of ''white people bad bc they have power''. Yeah, that's the problem, white people systematically have power over other races in most places across the globe, but whining about it does nothing. Fighting it does.

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zzuum wrote

Have you read none of this good damn thread?

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