Submitted by Seerover in MentalWellbeing

I can’t stop palpitating, a group of twitter anarchists cyberbullied me off the internet, I don’t know what to do. I was just having fun online making new friends when a big anarchist account screenshotted my account and mocked me and his mutuals because I was affiliated with a post-left philosophy that they didn’t like. I read through their replies and all the harassment they said to me makes me weak. I can’t eat or sleep, I feel like I’m tired ever since. I’m aware that I’m a very mentally unstable person and I visit a psychiatrist from time to time, I didn’t even do anything wrong, why the f**k would they do that to me? I had to delete my account and email because I couldn’t handle everything those anarchists said to me. I don’t know, I feel like I’m disillusioned with the idea of anarchism anymore after that incident, I know not every anarchist is not like them and I still consider myself an anarchist, but I don’t think I’ll ever join another mass movement again. I’m thankful it was just online, if it was physical then I don’t know how I’ll be able to live normally where they would know my name and face, and could spread my face online alongside my name in the internet. I always thought that most anarchist movements are sketchy to me, they often expoused religionist apologia, siding with red fascists and so on, but this was the turning point to me, if they don’t like post-left ideas, then they should just shut up and stay quiet. Why would they do that to me??? I didn’t do ill to them, wtf is up with those “anarchists”. I’m so sorry if my english is bad, English isn’t my first language. I’m gonna ask my dad to take me to the therapist next next week. Maybe having someone to talk to would be nice.

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veuzi wrote

I can't recommend anyone to actually use Twitter beyond just reading it. Spend some time reading even just the anarchist discourse and you will know why. That platform is irrepairably fucked.

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Archaplain wrote

People can be unbelievably vicious online, it easy to forget there's a real human being behind the name on your screen. I am so sorry you had to experience this, i don't think this is your fault if that helps. Sorry i dont have any actual advice lol.

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

People always say the forget there is a real person behind the screen but is that really the case for most people? I'm way nicer in person than on Raddle. Not because I see them as real but that I would face far greater negative consequences so I bite my tongue. I think for me and prob the most abusive cases of other terminally online people is that they talk how they would if society was not as adapt at controlling their behavior.

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Seerover OP wrote

Thank you, I’ve been wondering if it’s my fault because I used the word “Dark Enlightenment” in my bio to mean a rejection of the “Enlightenment notions of Cartesian dualities, rationalism, humanism, democracy, utopia, etc.“ (quote taken from the side bar of r/postleftanarchy), I wasn’t aware that someone already used the word “Dark Enlightenment” to mean techno neo-fascism (aka Nick Land’s philosophy). It was just a really bad coincidence, they called me a Nick landroid, when I barely understand what the hell the nick land guy is talking about or who the hell he is. I’ve already deleted my twitter account, at first I was gonna clear up some misunderstanding that I didn’t know neo-fascists already used the word until the anarcho-communist also mocked my anti-humanist views. They also called me “edgy” because I added the word “Deep Web” in my location when it’s just meant to be a silly little joke. I hope anarcho-communists won’t get their bread tonight, they didn’t allow me to clear up some silly misunderstanding that could have been easily resolved. I’m gonna try taking a break from social media for now and avoid anarchist circles from now on (except for raddle).

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wlangstroth wrote

It’s too bad they got all bent out of shape for some nonsense. I wish I knew a good way to tell you not to sweat it, because people who are going to gang up on you on Reddit aren’t people you need to worry about. You are witnessing them growing up. If they become good people later, they will regret their selfishness.

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Garrias wrote

WTF, saying you're in the Deep Web isn't even edgy

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Seerover OP wrote

There’s nothing even special about the deep web or dark net that makes it “edgy”, it’s literally just a part of the internet that can be accessed by the TOR browser. But most leftists/anarcho-leftists are technologically illiterate and probably failed elementary math & science so it isn’t surprising they would say something like that, for context, the big “anarchist” account who screenshotted my twitter already tweeted that he dropped out from school and seemed to have never bothered to educate himself afterwards so that explains everything. If there is one thing I would agree on with marxist-leninists about anarcho-communists, it is that they can’t read. If you would ask me, I would place anarcho-communists in the same level of intelligence as red fascists.

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lettuceLeafer moderator wrote (edited )

probably failed elementary math & science so it isn’t surprising they would say something like that, for context, the big “anarchist” account who screenshotted my twitter already tweeted that he dropped out from school

anarcho-communists, it is that they can’t read

If you're post left I expect better behavior than belittling people for not doing well in school or being literate. Which is shitty for one because schools suck and shouldn't be respected. Two being literate is almost always about ones privilege in society as the only ones who are illiterate are incredibly aesthetically oppressed groups in the 3rd world or people with severe disabilities. Plus the whole argument of not going to school or being literate makes someone inferior just sounds like unchecked colonial beliefs gotten through osmosis. And dropping out of school has more to do why being systemically oppressed or being nurodivergent than anything. if anything dropping out is more impressive than graduating imo

Normally I'm not one to be heavy handed with mod stuff but if u continue to belittle people for education level I'll have to give u a temp ban because people who had to drop out of school or found school to difficult get enough shit normally that they don't need to hear it on Raddle.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

PSA: this woke sensibility of mine is annoying. I'd much rather let it be and laught at a academic coping and seething at people not respecting school. But alas I see the benefit of being an annoying mod to leave Raddle more open to many types of voices which can lead to cool discussions. So sadly being a wet noodle makes sense in some acassions.

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Seerover OP wrote

If you want to make everything worse, the big anarcho-coomer account participates in worthless Celebrity Drama (Amber Heard v. Johnny Depp) and hero worships Amber Heard as the “Queen feminist who never does anything wrong 💅” and places her on a pedestal like an idol. The guy seems to be also an enlightenment humanist which is why he mocked me for my post-humanist/anti-humanist beliefs. He’s literally a real life version of the stereotypical leftist.

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Nival wrote (edited )

I think you're not paying attention to what the Amber vs Depp fiasco is all about especially you're falling pretty close into abuse cultural apologism by the perpetrator who is the latter.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Idk tbh. The internet is just kinda a cesspool where almost everyone who posts is either fairly impervious to verbal abuse, loves verbal abuse or just is crushed by verbal abuse until their muzzled out. Not saying it's good or bad it just kinda is. Idk I'd prob just lurk if online discourse gets to emotionally distressing. Or just keep doing it to build up immunity.

Idk in my opinion your feelings are valid and it's ok to be upset but like you are being concerned over being attacked in a sesspoll of arguments and bullying. It means nothing about your personally it's just something everyone who posts on social media experiences frequently. You're tying something personal to being bullied on the intnet when for many people just bullying people randomly is the point. You're nto special everyone gets treated like that every once and a while. Don't read into it to much. But easier said than done.

fuck mass movements

Tru. Just find people u like and interact with them. And ignore people you don't like. Tho knowing when t make acceptions and genuinely take what someone said negatively about you to heart is important for self-improvement. But like 99% of the time that isn't happening so don't bother.

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Majrelende wrote (edited )

I don’t think I’ll ever join another mass movement again.

Good riddance.

Not all people who call themselves anarchists are anarchists. In fact, the vast majority aren't. I still feel like I am only a little way along in becoming an anarchist, only maybe 5-10% "there". Considering this-- and that anarchist and bully are mutually exclusive things-- you don't have to say they are anarchists. It doesn't matter what they preach; their actions show what is inside.

Once I had a similar experience, in which some unknown person screamed at me for offending their sense of superiority and dominion over all things. At the time I was afraid for my life, hoping the person wasn't looking for a gun, and walked away as quickly as I could without running. I could barely sleep, and my mind felt like it had turned to gruel. I had the same thought, "Why would they do that to me?" and came up with the answer that they had a daemon in their head, and I still don't have any better answer. I also was left wondering if everyone else's pleasant faces were all masks over a snarling evil, and in a way, many of them are that way.

To summarise, you did nothing wrong. They are false "anarchists" who think that hating on other anarchists will uplift them. But whoever thinks that they have strength in harassing others, has none at all, and nothing they desire will ever come by it.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Considering this-- and that anarchist and bully are mutually exclusive things--

I disagree with this take. Anarchism is against oppression and hierarchy it has nothing to say about being nice or kind. You can be rude, violent and a absolute piece of shit and still be a anarchist. As long is it's not in a way that reinforces a hierarchy.

Plus I think bullying is a beneficial skill for anarchists. Raddle is how it is due to people spending a considerable amount of effort bullying shit heads off the site when they show up. Plus in many cases people's views changed after being shamed or severely belittled. There are countless vegans on Reddit who said they went vegan after rude vegans told them how horrible it is to eat meat or browsing vegancirclejerk.

Carving out a cultural bitch requires one to be fairly aggressive in standing up for ones idea almost aggressively so to prevent being belittled or lib washed. Now I do genuinely respect the distain for the pursuasiveness in anarchist spaces and respect it. And even see many merits but saying bullying isn't anarchist seems odd to me

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Majrelende wrote

The way I learned, bullying is harshness to others in order to maintain power over them. Essentially, textbook authority as I see it.

I understand the harshness used to protect Raddle from invasion, which seems to me more like self-defense. But hopefully we can approach outsiders with kindness and consideration, until they show bad will or a desire for power over the site.

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Seerover OP wrote

Thanks, I don’t think they’re true anarchists also, I just thought of calling them anarchists to be clear that people who call themselves “anarchists” can be big dipsh*ts too.

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Seerover OP wrote

I’m usually a pacifistic person but I have my limits too, if in a hypothetical scenario in which neo-fascism rises and the anarchists who bullied me ask me for my help to help them get out of the United States, I would politely decline and I would much rather see them get tortured in death camps for the rest of their life. People become saints to you when they need something, but when in a scenario where they can say anything they want to someone who didn’t even do anything wrong to them, they would manifest into the devil himself. This is probably why I grew to dislike the internet more & more, they give people a feeling of “unlimited power” but can’t even mumble a single syllable when it comes to real life because they know they’ll end up mutilated. The incident that happened to me reminds a lot of when a YouTuber called TwoMad and his 7 million fans proceeded to shit on a random steam user just because he thought his profile was “edgy”, imagine how traumatizing that must feel for millions of people just randomly mocking you online when you didn’t even do anything wrong. I like thinking humans are a blank slate like Stirner did, but humans out of sheer stupidity once again flips my expectation and made me realize most of them are just worthless slaves who likes having their chains while being caressed by a master. I’m so sorry if I’m losing a bit of hope in the idea of anarchism and I sounded like a reactionary in the end, I would forever be an anarchist in heart and I’m very thankful for all of your replies and it made me feel a lot better. Maybe after some time, I’ll gain more trust in the idea of anarchy again if humanity gets smarter. Until then, I’m gonna recover first. Thank you again.

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Fool wrote

This brings up the neat thing about "true" Anarchy - you don't need to bring other people with you, your personal ownness is entirely independent on some mass movement. We're Anarchists because we don't trust others to make decisions for us.

From the sound of things your "crime" was to think for yourself, sounds like a pretty good start to liberation.

The only problem I see with what you've done is used Twitter.

Enjoy the Enlightenment of the Void, it gives good cuddles.

🐿️

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