Submitted by TheNerdyAnarchist in MentalWellbeing

I mean - I understand to a point that as human beings, we're not supposed to be okay with the whole hellscape that we're presented with, and I understand that depression, anxiety, etc. are natural, "correct" responses to its stimuli.

I guess where I get hung up is that if that response is consistently bringing one to the point of wanting to give up and fighting the urge/desire off themselves, why is medicating them to attempt to avoid that outcome a bad thing?

Sorry for my ignorance here, and thanks in advance to anyone who can help relieve me of said ignorance.

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Tequilx_Wolf wrote (edited )

I’ve got a lot to say and have to leave now but these are some quick notes I hope will point you in the right direction. Issues with psychiatry:

  • The pathologisation of natural human variation and the medicalisation of wellbeing

Instead of celebrating difference and truly making room for it in our societies and communities (a mutual aid approach), psychology places the burden of wellbeing on the individual, telling them that their brains are imbalanced or whatever and that the problem is fixed with drugs

  • The pathologisation of rebellion

Throughout history and until now, notable examples from today being “Conduct Disorder” and from the past drapetomania
Edit: as noted, Oppositional Defiant Disorder is an even better example than Conduct Disorder

  • The pathologisation of normal responses to terrible societal conditions

People are sad and anxious because life is shit. These are systemic issues that pshychiatry as a fundamentally reformist project has no relation to. Instead of bringing us to be people who seek out truly better lives, it defines betterness primarily in terms of what drugs can potentially do for us

  • Framing health in terms of ability to participate in the economy

Most of the DSM includes in its categories that “cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.” In practice what this amounts to is whether a person can go do their job or their learning.

This doesn’t mean that it’s not useful for some people in some cases to use psychiatric drugs. All of us do what we can to survive in a shit world. The stickied post in the forum touches on more interesting things to engage.

EDIT: I was hoping to come back here and add more useful stuff but I'm out of energy to be thorough about it.

If you're looking for heavier theory, Foucault's got a book called Madness and Civilization, and D&G have Anti-Oedipus.

The Icarus project is something worth looking into as an anarchist mental health praxis.

There's lots of other stuff but there's no use in me listing it when you can just look at the wikipedia page for anti-psychiatry.

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Cranko wrote

The standardization of mass society necessarily defines an increasing number of people as “disabled” if they do not fit a narrowly prescribed form. The “normal range” of human variation is being shrunk and those outside of this range are stigmatized, pathologized, medicated, and manipulated. The civilized solution to living with people of different abilities is to treat large segments of people like broken clocks in need of new parts or regular servicing. This approach is in accordance with the standard operating procedure of civilization to understand every human problem as a technical problem; it allows us to discharge our responsibility to care for those around us by developing new products, offering new services, and building new infrastructure. The need for relationships is erased. In this way, civilization allows us not to care for others who may need assistance, which is to say, it allows others not to care for us when we need assistance.

  • From the zine “CIVILIZATION WILL STUNT YOUR GROWTH: Defending Primitivism from Accusations of Ableism” by Ian E. Smith
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AnarcheAmor wrote

ODD isn't about bad parenting but whether how a child responds to authority as a whole. ODD kids aren't just spoiled or stubborn but rather are extremely antagonistic towards anyone that acts as an authority figure over them to the point that it can endanger their lives.

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AnarcheAmor wrote

Which is why I think it is no mistake that the DSM finds that this disorder is more prevalent in households that are "harsh and inconsistent".

I think you assumed that I was undermining that point when I wasn't or wasn't trying to. I was saying that ODD was about responses to authority and that said responses can lead to a kid being a danger to themselves. What causes ODD is less important than the ODD itself because, for one, it's difficult to change a kid's home situation and it's hard to determine whether or not the parenting is the actual problem. A lot of times, the problem is that the kid has underlying issues and the ODD is merely the interaction between those issues and the authority adults use to get the kid to do the very thing that the kid has issues with. This is ultimately why the "it's just bad parenting" argument is pretty harmful because it is way more complicated than that but the focus has to be on treating whatever issues the kid is suffering through so that they don't end up hurting themselves. By no means is this a rejection of it being used to force behavioral conformity onto children though because, by the end of the day, that's a lot of how the diagnosis is used.

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AnarcheAmor wrote

You clarified yourself just fine. It's completely understandable why this would get you heated, the whole subject is complicated and a lot of people's experiences with psychiatry and therapy can be pretty bad at best and outright abusive at worst.

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Cranko wrote

To add,

There is no such thing as mental illness. It is merely a convenient label for grouping and isolating cases where identification has not occurred properly. Those whom Power can neither govern nor kill, it taxes with madness. The category includes extremists and megalomaniacs of the role, as well as those who deride roles or refuse them. It is only the isolation of such individuals that marks them, however. Let a General identify with France, with the support of millions of voters, and an opposition immediately springs up which seriously seeks to rival him in his lunacy. Horbiger's attempt to invent a Nazi physics met with a similar kind of success. General Walker was taken seriously when he drew a distinction between superior, white, divine and capitalist man on the one hand, and black, demoniacal, communist man on the other. Franco would meditate devoutly and beg God for guidance in oppressing Spain. Everywhere in the world are leaders whose cold frenzy lends substance to the thesis that man is a machine for ruling. True madness is a function not of isolation but of identification. The role is the self-caricature which we carry about with us everywhere, and which brings us everywhere face to face with an absence. An absence, though, which is structured, dressed up, prettified. The roles of paranoiac, schizophrenic or psychopath do not carry the seal of social usefulness; in other words, they are not distributed under the label of power, as are the roles of cop, boss, or military officer. But they do have a utility in specified places - in asylums and prisons. Such places are museums of a sort, serving the double purpose, from Power's point of view, of confining dangerous rivals while at the same time supplying the spectacle with needed negative stereotypes. For bad examples and their exemplary punishment add spice to the spectacle and protect it. If identification were maximised through increased isolation, the ultimate falseness of the distinction between mental and social alienation would soon become clear.

  • Vaneigem, The Revolution of Everyday Life
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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

Not a big fan of psychiatry myself. I do think it's absolute straight edge bullshit to be anti psychiatric drugs. I doubt how helpful they can be but if they make life better for you more power to you.

So I think my and many others anti psychiatry is totally accepting of psychiatric medicine.

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