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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

Simon Springer in response:

I think as far as capitalism is concerned we should spend some time propping it up, trying to reorganize it, and maybe shift it around very slowly. ...oh wait, nope, that's not me who said that, it's David Harvey.

Well anyway, capitalism is too big to fail. This is my totally original insight... uh shit, still David Harvey... and every banking executive, landlord, Wall Street broker, tycoon, and CEO who ever lived.

At the very least we cannot afford any kind of sustained attack upon capital accumulation. We have to keep things moving, because if we don’t do that we are actually stuck with a situation in which almost all of us would starve. I know I'm wilfully ignoring the fact that half the globe currently lives in impoverished conditions where their basic needs are not met, but as a critical realist... ah damn, still David Harvey.

If only I could think more like a capitalist, ahem, Marxist.

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An_Old_Big_Tree OP wrote

Also Simon Springer:

People seem to forget that Marx was actually a capitalist insofar as he fetishized capitalism as a necessary stage. But Marxism has always been premised on politics of waiting, which Harvey makes clear here. Much as the state will never simply wither away, so too do we apparently need to just keep rearranging the capitalist furniture.

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ziq wrote

Marxism is when you do so much capitalism that capitalism magically turns into communism.

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ziq wrote

I'm being completely serious fyi. That's literally what marx believed.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Hypercapitalism, I agree on your take on this, that's why so many tankies atack the anti-civ / green anarchism or even some liberals degrowth ideology.

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ziq wrote

China really is the pinnacle of capitalism. I can't imagine a more capitalistic system.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Sometimes when Im high as a kite I imagine the end of the 21 century a struggle between USA the torchbearer of the liberal values against the Great Capital Monster th at CCP China will become. Like HK right now, or Tibet in the 2000s, or the Uyghur concentration camps. At some point the White west will became the saviour in this narrative. I can even see this happen right now and lots of people falling to this.

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Majrelende wrote

A true revolutionary keeps a seed library.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Other tought on this matter. Most marxists I know are very concerned about the model of production and other ghostly abstractions as if the entire problem was a simple techical issue, forgeting about the people. I'm more convinced than ever that is not the case.

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ziq wrote

Yeah they're especially obsessed with productivity ("productive forces") like any good capitalist. They structure everything around their labor fetish.

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