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kinshavo wrote

I wanted to respond to your comment, bc I think it's interesting and have lots to do with colorism and how racism and whiteness is played in latam. I was probably add another layer, not sure the dynamics in US but being a 1st generation migrant is very different from being born Yankee and being a white-passing-Latinx, or that a white Argentinean have the same privileges that a wasp yankee have.

I think that one of the worst problems in yankee whiteness is the lack of understanding of colorism as one of key factors of racism, due to all the past history. While for Europeans besides the colorism they have this Colonial/Enlightened sense of duty to the World.

I saw a meme just today about queerness being used to cover whiteness, I think your post go along with this and I can see a lot of this behavior to justify whiteness and Colonialist mindsets in neurodivergent and queer people

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

idk I think that topic is one of the things that is super controversial and personal for some people so I gotta be like super duper careful what I was and be really confident in my position which I am not. So while I do stand that I have some concepts right I prob have many flaws I don't know yet. Plus I'm not confident enough that I could argue to an admin that I'm not minimizing the oppression of a group or whatever. But I'm glad someone found it interesting. Makes me a little more confident

I think like the dynamic of argentinia is that they are mostly just settlers who did a worse job then americans. So hence they experience imperialism and get the shit end of the stick from other americans. But yet are still settler colonizers of indigenous people and black slaves. Which I think in that example their experience of xenophobia should be treated like any other european migrant and not like poc or indigenous migrants. Though the convo is complicated as spanish and portugeese colonization had far more interacial births so unlike US or africa its not blatantly obvious who is a descendant of colonizers or inidgenous people. Which makes it kinda confusing.I actually have no idea how colorisim plays into this other than absolute basics.

Omg, I wrote a bunch about how american latinxs are but then I remembered this fucking hilarious video. It explains way better than words. God its hilarious in a really sad way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J49mV_lucl4

Yeah even for me the dynamic of latin america and colorism is actually even really confusing to me. Where I grew up it was still taboo to date / marry nonwhite people. Hence why the categories of indigenous, black and european are so obvious stateside. Plus one drop so any brown people mine as well be black. While in latin america such sharp classes aren't obvious. And if you're a little brown the idea of you being strongly related to settlers is really strange in the states.

Yeah I think leftist adjeacent groups really struggle with like stating that they like a oppressive group or whatever. When so much of the idpol has people fiercly identify as a oppressed worker or whatever. So the idea that you have to identify as the people you are supposed to hate is prob hard. When its way healthier to do it. I actually tolerate this bad empanada figure despite being a tankie because he says stuff like yeah I'm a settler and if a nearby indigenous person killed me to take the land back that would be based. And then just is able to promote that being a true fact without internalizing it so he can have pretty reasonable takes on things.

So yeah I agree completely with the queer thing as people struggle with understanding that they could b oppressed but actually also be a settler or whatevs. So it totally does cover up for it. Its honestly prob a problem routing from a hyper focus on identity rather than descriptors. I'd be glad to hear you speak more because I think you prob have a lot of useful things to say that would help me understand stuff better. Only if you want though

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kinshavo wrote

One of the main issues here like others said is that Latinx born in the US have a different experience than Latinx living in their home countries. The US is a very racialized country bc of its own colonization and its own colonial mindset while Latin America is more racist/colorist by the same reason. Why the people on the video are confused about nationality/"race" is because the main reason to hold colonial rule in these countries is the perceived notion of belonging to the same people/nation. If they started to saw themselves as daughters and sons of the rape of the native by colonial forces many of this would be different.

And then we have lots of bits in the history of the continent like "Monroe Doctrine" and the erase of native languages and cultures. If anything Latinx in the US should feel closer to Natives and African Americans

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

And then we have lots of bits in the history of the continent like "Monroe Doctrine" and the erase of native languages and cultures. If anything Latinx in the US should feel closer to Natives and African Americans

Yeah race in the US is pretty weird. Like usually radicalized groups don't share their critique to the global stage. Which I can't blame it much as black people has a rich history of promoting anti imperialism and the US government shut it all down so a ton of progress has been lost.

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