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milkweed wrote

As a gay man, I don’t give a shit about Harvey Milk. He was just a minor San Francisco politician until he was assassinated. I’m sure he fucked lots of younger guys. Sixteen is a bit young but as long as everything was consensual I don’t have a problem with it. That being said, I’m sure he did some fucked up stuff too; I’m sure not everything was consensual. He also defended Jim Jones.

The real homophobia here is the assumption that gay men are meek and delicate, and can’t have “their idol” criticized. Milk was a piece of shit on some level at least. Most gay men I know don’t care about him at all; we don’t care about someone just because they are gay. Harvey Milk is not my idol. I don’t need an idol who is idolized for being gay, I have lived fucking experience. Naming some bullshit infrastructure after him isn’t “progress.” We don’t need straight people to throw us shitty little tokens. We don’t need straight people, and we definitely don’t need “allies.” We can handle ourselves, is it that hard to let go of the straight-savior complex?

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willow wrote

At least those who aren't anarchists believe they need idols because of how our society is structured

there's plenty of non-anarchists who aren't interested in idols. in fact i'd say this is fairly common among leftists of all types, and not just gayers either; i think most people have realised that this sort of "representation" does very little to help ordinary people.

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milkweed wrote

Gay men know that “believing in idols” won’t solve anything. There have always been successful and talented gay men, we don’t need another random old creep to feel good about ourselves. Personally, I don’t need straight people to find me acceptable. Neither do the vast majority of us. Progress based on tokenization isn’t progress at all.

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milkweed wrote

Progress means the destruction of the false dichotomy between straight and gay. Progress means an increasing diversity of family forms, and slowly, the abolition of the nuclear family structure. Not for some kind of perverse desire, but out of the simple recognition of the alienating forms in the family. Queerness has deep political implications that have been shoved under the rug. The ability to reproduce, the vast labor of raising children, informs heterosexual politics, informs the conception of the future. Without the ability to create children themselves, queer people have an ability to uncover a new conception of politics for everyone. Queer culture is taking the contradictions of the straight world and exposing them, with deep sarcasm and biting criticism. Queer culture only exists as it does because the straight world stupidly refuses to integrate queerness into itself. True, radical progress means the union of straight and gay, not the neoliberal capitalist form of segmentation and marketization.

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UwUltraviolence wrote

He pusted this shit in /f/queer, as you can tell. And it looks like it was deleted?

Look, like all idols, Harvey Milk probably wasn't the coolest dude. He probably did lots of stuff we should crit him for.

But fuck fueling the fire with ammo from right wint Christiano facists.

Also, sources. Written actual sources. Not just shit cobbled together from right wing nuts looking to shit on an (ostensibly) mainstream queer icon.

I absolutely do not field criticism of queer people from non-queer people. Why? Because everyone is queerphobic, we live in a queerphobic, racist, bootlicking, capitalist nightmare planet where all of these must be UNLEARNED ACTIVELY. Cishet peeps are absolutely not on the forefront of killing the anti-queer cop in their brains.

Is there possibly some ground to cancel a dead man based off what he did? Probably lol. This is a form for killing our idols. But ill show solidarity with a fellow queer until I hear something actual and real, before I cancel/kill/defame/whatever a queer person.

Fuck warmpotato. Fufk his lil softboi innocent act and fuck Christianity and fuck right liberatianism.

Harvey Milk ass blasting 12 year old boys is probably warmpotato's fav part about him.

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UwUltraviolence wrote

Then why are you signal boosting their content?

I get killing our idols but source quality matters.

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