Hello all

Submitted by gangshittttt in Illegalism

as a representative of r/shoplifting, our home has been destroyed. this is our refuge. im trying to redirect us here.

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GrimWillow wrote

Never stop expropriating from capitalists. They are stealing everything. We are only shoplifters because they are land/life/labor-lifters. <3

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DC2342 wrote (edited )

This is so idiotic Capitalism is the only system that promotes freedom of thought and production. The problem with our current system is that large corporations use government power to enforce their self-written laws to limit competition and set up costly barriers to entry in established markets. This is the result of a modified version of socialism or (crony capitalism) where the large corporations have become synonymous with government.

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Ant wrote

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DC2342 wrote

Fuck you and your communist agenda. MAGA!

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Ant wrote

I'm not a communist, meaniepants

and your country was only great until about the time columbus arrived
so we're in agreement on the topic of making it great again

you might want to learn about how capitalism works though before you keep saying things worthy of f/ShitLiberalsSayOrDo

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DC2342 wrote

Lol my bad, please enlighten me with regards to your idea of Capitalism.

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Ant wrote

there are loads of books on the topic, feel free to enlighten yourself

w/reading

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DC2342 wrote

That's what I thought you punk ass lil bitch. Capitalism and free enterprise is not theft it is freedom.

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leftous wrote

Can you explain this logically? How does restricting property, ideas, etc. into the "private" realm = freedom? You're literally putting restrictions on things.

You can call capitalism a lot of things, but "free" is not one of them.

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DC2342 wrote (edited )

So let me get this straight. You're trying to tell me that having the freedom to own land (a place where you and your community can come together and benefit from your combined labor, propagate ideas, and better your lives, and help others through free trade) that's bad? Do you really think that anyone should be able to just come in and forcefully remove your family, kill and rape you, trash your farms, take your property and starve you to death if you try to have bountiful resources as a result of your freedom to own land and have ideas?

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leftous wrote

I said it's not freedom by any means to restrict based on private property.

There are other far freer models to designate property e.g. personal property, or occupancy-and-use ideas of mutualism. I would say that "private property" is the least free method since you can essentially claim anyone's land if you have the means to do so, and can own property you don't even use (and charge/enslave people for it).

Do you really think that anyone should be able to just come in and forcefully remove your family, kill and rape you, trash your farms, take your property and starve you to death if you try to have bountiful resources

It's funny you mention this, because it's precisely why I'm not a capitalist. It is the imperialist violent capitalists who do this all over the world.

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DC2342 wrote

You seem reasonable enough and I'm sure I'd agree with you on many topics. However it's called communist fascism when governments allow these things to happen.

If you blame real capitalism and free markets, then yall gonna end up like Ukraine in 1917.

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ziq wrote

Communism means stateless and moneyless so that doesn't make a lick of sense.

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DC2342 wrote

Your absolutely wrong communism is where everything is publicly owned by government and you work for and get paid by the government.

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ziq wrote

I'm not a big fan of communism, but I try to learn what something is before I go on angry rants about it.

Communism is a classless, stateless and moneyless society. Whatever doesn't fit that criteria isn't communism, no matter what the propaganda tells you. You're describing state capitalism.

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DC2342 wrote

But that is not true. learn what communism is before you defend it.

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jadedctrl wrote (edited )

[Communism] is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

That's from goddamn Wikipedia, mate!

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DC2342 wrote (edited )

Your absolutely right, however we do not currently have capitalism and free markets, we have a system of corrupt crony capitalism that acts like a state of communist fascism, in which large banks and corporations have become synonymous with government. That's what my first comment was about.

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DC2342 wrote

Damn you made some good points, but still people shouldn't go around calling anarchy communism. Thank you for setting me straight with the capitalism syntax.

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DC2342 wrote

So now that we have that out of the way, in anarchy how would your people solve the problem of an individual having nuclear weapon type power? For instance whats to stop me from taking over your entire system and holding you all hostage under the threat of blowing up your whole planet?

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ziq wrote

Your people are already doing that to us, American.

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dele_ted wrote

Here's some litterature to enlighten you, if you actually want to learn:

The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin

Statism and Anarchy by Michail Bakunin

Anarchism and Other Essays by Emma Goldman

That should be a good start. Just pick the title you find most appealing.

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DC2342 wrote

Ya I actually do, I've been reading what others have linked as well. Thank you.

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dele_ted wrote (edited )

Fuck, good to see that attitude for once. Didn't expect that. I can recommend starting with The Conquest of Bread!

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DC2342 wrote

Yes I've started it, and btw sorry for all the trolling, I like to trigger people.

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dele_ted wrote

That's a little childish, and a waste of everyones time. You're lucky that you've appeared in the middle of all the /f/shoplifting chaos, otherwise you'd been banned on the spot.

Bullshit aside, I have a feeling you're actually a pretty nice guy. Looking forward to hear what you thought of the book.

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DC2342 wrote

Ya I got a chant, and no I will not put my micro penis back in my oversize inbred land whale pants.

No Justice, No Peace, No Racist Police!!

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GrimWillow wrote

As long as they are police for a white-supremacist system, they will all be racist police. I like the variation: No Justice, No Peace, FUCK THE POLICE!

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zod wrote

Rape isn't a punchline.

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DC2342 wrote

No Rape is what Police do after punching a few lines of innocent black civilians. :(

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boringskip wrote

you just wandered into the wrong neighborhood

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DC2342 wrote

Punk ass socialist bitch come at me, I'll erase your entire bloodline from the fabric of the multiverse.

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boringskip wrote

oh shit we got an internet tough guy over here! everyone watch out!

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DC2342 wrote

That's right I'm a big man, I've got a 42 inch penis.lol

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commie wrote

well, come.

and welcome.

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DamnScalper wrote

Howdy! Shoplifting refuge calling in (with the same name).

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potat wrote

I'm a little late to the /r/shoplifting migration, happy to be here!

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