Submitted by aaaaaaaaaaah in Illegalism

There's a W@||fart near me I go to once a month ish.

I go through self-checkouts and just scan 1/3 of my stuff. Always "forget" the shit on the bottom.

What are the chances they've noticed? I go at different times, different days of the week, sometimes with my bf, sometimes alone.

I wanna go back this weekend, but I'm also scared I could be pushing my luck. Any thoughts?

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

You are pushing your luck. You have no plausible deniability and in many states not scanning all your items is classified as shoplifting in the US. Not scanning your items in general is a pretty bad plan due to how sofisticated the machines are in stopping check out scams.

Oh how much? Imo u are pushing your luck a lot

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Shadowmarx17 wrote

Self checkout is not the way my friend. Just because it doesn't "feel" suspicious doesn't mean that you aren't being watched closely on the cameras and having a case built against you for next time you come. If I were you I'd just conceal in a bag and casually walk through an empty checkout lane. It might feel weird to do that but it's actually a lot safer than lingering around in self-checkout where you can be surrounded or blocked off.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

Self scan fraud is the right way if done right, but what he's doing is suspicious and it has nothing to do with the self-scan part of it. You don't put your items in the bag as you're shopping around the store. Ask any LP and they will tell you that the people they watch are those coming in with bags.

The right way to do self scan is to make an attempt to scan the item you're lifting, then throw it in the bag, pretending it has scanned. THAT way, you have plausible deniability. You're on camera as trying to scan the item and if caught you just say you didn't know it hadn't scanned. It doesn't matter what they privately suspect. If they can't prove intent, there's no trouble.

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BigThief wrote

This works for 1 maybe two items. Anything past that and no one would believe you failed to scan many items.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

One or two items at a time is my idea. My shopping trips are small. Were you planning to spend a lot of your own pocket money at stores?

I pay for two cheap items, pretend to scan a couple of more expensive ones, throw some smaller items in my pockets before I reach the register and it's been a nice day.

Rinse and repeat elsewhere/next day. Works like a charm! On average I only pay about 30% of the total value I walk out with.

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BigThief wrote

I don't spend my own money except in my local neighborhood.

I never purchase while lifting. Rule number #1 is to leave no trace.

I am in and out of a store in under five minutes; usually three. If the store is coordinated enough to catch me it is not a store I am lifting from.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

I applaud you if you have the risk tolerance to do only walkouts.

I, on the other hand, am a different story. So far i've only lifted for personal consumption and these are stores I go to again and again (even if randomly) so walkouts will definitely get me made ... eventually.

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FredDurstsHat wrote

NEWSFLASH: How do you know? I thought there WAS no plausible deniability?

Do you do Self Scan alot? How do we know?

What experience do you have doing this?

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote (edited )

There is no plausible deniability for walk outs, which is what we were discussing in the other thread.

How do I know ... what?? How do I know this works? I do it every day.

How do you know I do it every day? You can believe what I tell you, or don't. I couldn't care less either way.

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FredDurstsHat wrote (edited )

Just applying the same logic to your post that you did to mine :)

You seem to have a history here of coming off as a know-it-all jackass who provides VERY little to topics usually. I don't know what's funnier, you bragging about 5 years pushing carts or w/e in some sleepy Canadian town where you never see LP's, or that you think it somehow makes you special.

Good ole' working class indeed

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Know-it-all jackass ... I like that. As opposed to what? What have you provided that's more than anecdotal?

I wasn't a cart pusher. I was a department manager and then an assistant manager, maintaining inventory databases among other things. So you can bet your rootie patooties I know heck of a lot more about retail shrinkage and LP than you do.

I don't live in a town, and there's definitely nothing sleepy about my area. If you think there's no LP in Canada, then you've got your lifting work cut out for you. Just come and lift here.

I think you should create a lifting forum where you're the moderator, so you can delete those who disagree with you. You don't take disagreement very well.

Now you can go downvote my posts some more until you feel better.

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BigThief wrote

You are pushing your luck. Standard rule is hit a place and not return for at least 6 months.

Know way to tell if they have noticed unless you can compare online inventory... You take x item and constantly check the online inventory for when it updates.

Do not use SCO. That is the worst place to lift from.

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theremedyman wrote

Wear wide brim hats and mask up to be anonymous so they cant build a case. Always wear headphones and act like you hit every item with the gun. Headphones will send them the message that you didn't hear the beep ergo it was a mistake. Dress differently every time.

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chris2c wrote

you got to watch out with the self checkout...they have a camera watching your hands as they pass over the scanner...and it knows what you are scanning incase you try switching barcodes ...the camera is very details...like lets say you have 3 packs of fishing hooks in your hand and only scan one they can see it...how do i know? been caught twice...both times i just paid for alot of stuff so couldnt just walk away from the basket...

walmart prosecutes if the total of the items is over $60 they won't let you pay for it even if you play dumb

one thing to note is dont carry an ID if you do then they will have a picture of you...i dont know about all this facial recognition stuff people talk about but when i got caught the second time they couldnt even find the first time till i gave the cops my ID number..they didnt even have a picture of me

now if you leave it in the cart then put it in a bag of stuff you already scanned that seems to work but they got cameras on that too if they want...as long as you arent targeted while shopping you are good but if jot they watch you till you leave

btw in texas 3 theft charges/tickets is a felony even if they are under $100

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theremedyman wrote

Done correctly SCO isn't a crime its an accident. Always wear headphones and know thy target audience. IE: you can boost at Lowes but SCO is tough but at HD you have a good opportunity in SCO whereas concealment is tricky. Always wear headphones. Its a mistake bc you didnt hear it. I never have music on but act like I'm jamming out. If they speak toe I'll answer extremely loudly. Optimally, I'll walk into Home Depot with $1000. I'll put 3 expensive tools in the cart and something cheap. I'll hit the cheap item twice and miss my target tool. I then return at a different store citing family emergency. Dress differently. Wear hats. Resist looking up mask up always. Sometimes walk slow and sometimes limp. Lots of different coats and hats. Various fake eye glasses. Sometimes with black tape between my eyes. It looks like a mickey mouse tape job but it isn't. Try very hard to walk extremely slow on occasion. But a latex old man mask and use it whenever its cold BC they're too hot for most days. Try to have as many masks as you can afford. I hit the only Lowes in my town an average of 3x a day for over 5 years now. It can be done.

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