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whobabylonto wrote

Hey, so I am also in familiar situation too. Well today a customer snitched on me at Tr@dEr J0es. I was using the scarf method and concealed the items with a handbag. I made eye contact with the snitch and I knew he saw me concealing the items and told an employee. Of course by then I was totally spooked and literally got all my items out from my purse and paid for it using a debit card (very stupid). However, I did not get stopped by an employee. The police, as of right now, has yet to come to my home. I think the point I am trying to make here is to not worry about it too much. You said you lifted just a cake right? Well I don’t know the laws in Canada but I am sure these big corporations are all alike and not too concerned about petty thefts especially if it’s food. I posted something similar months ago where I concealed all my items like an idiot with the camera watching me. And no trouble with police yet. Of course my best advice now would be to stay away from the store and all other branches. I will be avoiding all Tr@dEr J0es from now on unless I do a really good disguise. Someone said that the masks really make it harder for LP to identify serial lifters and that facial recognition is wrong 55% with masks (LP magazine). Also word of advice do not bring any kind of identification with you when you lift, I always leave my license in my car when I know I am going lifting. I understand your anxieties really well though. Stay safe and take care.

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cman17012003 OP wrote

Thanks good advice. Actually I didn’t steal the cake. Didn’t feel comfortable about it. I attempted to steal cream, cheese, and chocolate sauce. I really regret not trying to pay for something. If they got anything it would be a receipt or two most likely paid cash. But there is always the possibility something has my name on it.

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BigThief wrote

Don't make any contact. It doesn't matter what you may be thinking or feeling. You reach out to LP you give them a reason to look further into the incident.

The best thing you can do is work on yourself.

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BusinessGuy123 wrote

You'll probably be fine, I would actually call the loblaws with no caller id enabled & ask to be put on the phone with loss prevention.

Tell them "Hey I was shoplifting food & a cake for my moms birthday (2 day ago for example) & I was given the option to leave. I just want to apologize firstly for stealing, I don't have a lot of money, secondly I want to thank you for giving me the opportunity to leave & not calling the police. I've been sick to my stomach the past few days & I promise I will never shoplifting again in my life."

Try to make it sound sincere, trust me this is the best method. I want to say you're already 100% in the clear, but I highly recommend doing this as if they are doing any investigation they will almost instantly drop it & maybe even invite you to pick up your stuff that was left behind. You will also make the loss prevention officers day, they don't get the see the "good" side of doing loss prevention & this will boost their ego & make them feel like a saint for turning your life around.

I know the feeling of having that sickness in your stomach, it sucks but in a weird way it's also fun, knowing stuff is on the line & all that. But when you call make sure to use your own words, talk slowly, & DO NOT read a script, people can pick up on that. This has to be authentic & from the heart. Best of luck man.

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cman17012003 OP wrote

Thanks it’s funny you should bring it up because it was something I was thinking about doing. My only problem is I have no idea where there’s a payphone nearby. I don’t have a cell phone right now. Again I didn’t actually steal the cake it was much too risky. It would’ve been by far the biggest thing I had stolen.

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BusinessGuy123 wrote

Use your home phone & dial *67 before the number.

So lets say their number is 1-800-484-2374 just fill it in like this on your home phone: *6718004842374 then call & it will make it a no caller id call. This is a great trick I would use when prank calling when I was like 12 lol

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BigThief wrote

You do realize that an 800 number will still reveal your number.

Fuck... the amount of people giving bad advice on this board is beyond fucked up.

/u/BusinessGuy123 How the fuck are you planning on paying out hundreds per week buying ink and you lack basic fucking op sec?

https://forums.att.com/conversations/att-phone-features/67-does-not-block-my-number/5defc588bad5f2f60612bad9

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BusinessGuy123 wrote

Well I was friends with a loss prevention officer, my neighbor worked in the industry for like a decade so I got a lot of my knowledge from first hand accounts, can you say the same?

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BigThief wrote

Yes, most of my friends work in supply chain at HD, Lowes, T-Mobile, Verizon, ATT, Target, Walmart... it is also the field I am in. So I have lots of knowledge about merchandising from OEM, B2B, and retail.

I have been in this game for 30 years. I have done B&E, trailer lifts, carding and just about every low and high level financial crime you can think of.

I have been involved in inventory scams with PD and the military. Those days are behind me but I have the knowledge and the experience.

I have over three dozen fences I could call at any time to drop of merchandise and the collective knowledge of our 20+ year relationships.

I have personally lifted and sold well north of 2 million.

I have answered well over a 1000 questions between this board, numerous reddit subs, and private messages.

And that is just the beginning of my background when it comes to theft and fraud. I have experience in a few other areas that I would be glad to share if you have the experience or talent.

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BusinessGuy123 wrote

That is an impressive history, & I will submit. There is no point in me trying to 1 up you as I am able to accept you have much more knowledge & skill in your craft then myself.

Also when I say impressive I really do mean that. Most people would have gotten caught at that point & you have well passes the status of professional & entered into mastery.

So I know you might look down on me as some random ass guy trying to make money & talking about something he doesn't fully understand. Just trying to make my way in the world & I hope you can respect that.

I wish you the best of luck with whatever you do.

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BigThief wrote

I don't look down on anyone for learning or trying to learn. Everyone starts out as a newbie.

Where I do look down on people are when someone speaks something as truth but it is clear they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. That is fucking dangerous and said person can impact someone's freedom and future career goals. That I take a visceral reaction to.

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cman17012003 OP wrote (edited )

Wow thanks had no idea that was possible. I will call when I get up.

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coinin9hands wrote

I wouldn't do this if I were you. It's possible they haven't already identified you, and *67 is not going to be enough to prevent police from tracking the call back to you. If they let you walk away without getting an ID or anything and they recovered all the merchandise back it's pretty much a sure bet they're not going to prosecute but you can't be too careful. Remember that at the end of the day if police/LP were sympathetic they'd be in a different line of work, there may be some you can butter up but their job is to put people in prison and it's not worth the risk of exposing yourself to them.

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GoodOldWorkingClass wrote

Bad advice! LP does not care for your situation or your reasons for stealing. You're just a "score" in their career -- a notch on their belt, as they say. The stop they make is what justifies their position. They're going to proceed with you in the same manner as with every other stop -- usually as dictated by some ridiculous "operation manual".

That being said, it's quite obvious that the point of these stops is to scare people into not lifting (both the stopped lifter and the onlookers passing by). It can't be about recovering resellable merchandise because any food you steal cannot be re-sold, even if it's canned. Worked in retail for five years. I know a few things about shrink and loss prevention.

The smart thing OP did is to walk away, instead of going with them to the office and giving them an ID or other personal info. That's like saying "here's some rope, hang me." Why would anyone do that?

If the dropped bag doesn't have anything that identifies you by name, address, or phone number, then there's no direct way of locating you, and you're almost certainly in the clear.

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BusinessGuy123 wrote

I live in Canada so my experience with LP might be different, my neighbor worked in loss prevention for a long time before switching jobs & we talked a lot. He had no clue about my history, so it was kinda funny but at that point I had already stopped for quite some time.

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