Submitted by Crazyguy in Illegalism

As the title states I’ve fairly recently ended working for T@rg3t LP after an extensive period of time working for them in this field. If you got a question feel free to ask! I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions, and please don’t be rude about my prior work, it paid the bills and thats all I did it for.

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Deadprezdreamsgetyours1 wrote

I know most people are terrified of target but I have never had issues. Like 80% of clothing, casual boots, air purifiers, 5 comforters over 100, even a patio set all from there. Never go more than twice a year to same one, disguise body shape and features even hair color and don't hit several back to back

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Crazyguy OP wrote

You’re doing it right honestly. Where most people go wrong is targeting cosmetics and electronics, thats how they get caught. Sticking to the other things and you’ll be fairly safe. With that in mind, most people are still freaked out by target because it’s hands on for LP still

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HelpMeSteal wrote

Are most of those little black bubbles on ceiling fakes? Or do you have over 300 cameras to watch for suspicious person/people?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Sorry, I was fairly drunk when I made this post and forgot all about it until tonight. Most of them are fake, but many are real depending on what department of the store you’re in. You can tell which are real because if you stand directly under them and look up a lot of times you can see the actual camera. HOWEVER if LP or a store team member see you doing that you’ll be watched every time you walk into that store, and yes, LP and team members remember faces

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Bill_Brasky wrote

What were the LP shift schedules? Was there always someone on duty throughout the entire day? Any days purposely scheduled so that only a morning shift had coverage and the night did not?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Scheduling is mostly random. It also heavily depends on the type of theft trends at a store. Usually right at open there is not coverage, but later at night it’s iffy. Try to go to smaller sized stores, as they’ll usually have a smaller AP team and your best bet is to go right at opening times. Stay away from small inner city stores though, they usually have large AP teams and work through the whole day.

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Hardlyworking4 wrote

Ok I have another one.

If shoplifting at target what would you say is the least effective strategy .. Almost guaranteed to get you caught?

What is the most effective strategy? Combination of strategies?

If someone makes a stop in the restroom can you stop them? Dressing rooms?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

So to answer all of your questions, basically get into a restroom or fitting room with the merchandise you want to steal, make sure it’s still exposed when you enter, don’t go in with it already concealed. Conceal in there and then just head for the doors. They can not stop you if you are in the fitting room or bathroom when you conceal. The merchandise also can not be at all visible, and don’t leave packaging behind. For an apprehension to happen, they’ll need 5 steps to apprehend. Entering the area without merchandise, selection of merchandise, concealment of merchandise, continued observation of subject once its concealed, and then past all points of sale, being the EAS towers. Apprehensions can only happen if all of those are observed.

With that in mind, LP will often bend the rules to get a shoplifter. So the only way to get around this safety is to use the restrooms or fitting rooms. If they try to stop and talk to you at the doors, ignore them and just keep walking. If they put hands on you, just know at that point they’re going for an apprehension, and it’s up to you to figure out what you’re going to do.

There is no real way I can give you best ways to steal or get away with it because every store is different and different stores may or may not bend rules up to blatantly breaking rules to catch you. If you don’t feel safe walking out the front doors, you can always just run out of a fire exit. They can not apprehend at all on a fire exit run out, but also don’t keep your car sitting near those doors because they do usually have a camera on them for license plates.

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Hardlyworking4 wrote

What is the most obvious sign of a shoplifter when you are on shift?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

It really depends on a lot of things really. If I’m watching the doors, someone looking like an addict, or homeless will catch LP eyes pretty quick. Also, don’t overdress, no one shops in a suit... especially when they wear old Reebok tennis shoes.

If it’s a commonly sought after item, such as headphones, video games, dyson vacuums, tide pods, cosmetic items, you can bet its being watched. Select it, and then move to a different area to conceal. Again, restrooms or fitting rooms are the best place for this and don’t leave packaging behind. Be sure to go to an area of the store to conceal that would otherwise not have items worth stealing, such as the cereal aisle. You can almost guarantee no store will have a camera covering cereal. If you conceal in an aisle, do it as you turn into or out of it near the endcap, not actually in the aisle. It’s easy to see motion of concealment in an aisle, but it’s a 50/50 shot on an endcap if they’ll see you, as they’ll need to be on the correct side of the endcap to observe it.

Most importantly, double back OFTEN. It’s hard for LP to conceal themselves if you constantly double back. It really makes them test their luck to follow you on the floor.

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Hardlyworking4 wrote

Do you all watch for receipt shopping? Anything particular you look for.

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Crazyguy OP wrote

As I mentioned in my other reply I was fairly drunk when I made this post and forgot, so I apologize for the delayed response. But yes, if you’re shopping from a receipt LP will notice, same with team members. Best trick to get around this is to take a photo of the receipt on your phone and use your phone as if you have a shopping list on it. That way you can look like you’re shopping for specific items without looking like you’re shopping off a receipt.

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Hardlyworking4 wrote

Right.. That much I do already. Anything else you look for with this?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Don’t grab receipts on your way into the store. A lot of times I would spot people in the parking lot or digging in trash cans for receipts, then they would come in and try to either shop or return someone. Even with a receipt if they brought product in and it wasn’t from our sales floor I would deny the return based on the fact it was most likely stolen elsewhere. Grab your receipts and then come back a few days later to shop or do returns

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fickystingers wrote

How do yall test for.counterfeit?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Most of them didn’t even need testing, we could just tell. When you handle so many bills every day it’s almost second nature to know just by the texture. Otherwise we used ink smearing pens or color changing pens. Be careful where you go though, because some places are now using a computerized scanner for the larger bills to test if they’re real or not. So if you use them, only use smaller bills to avoid this

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Hardlyworking4 wrote

Did you enjoy this job? How was the pay? Ever regret charging a shoplifters after the fact?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Job was okay, and the pay wasn’t terrible. One thing I’ll give T@rg3t is that they do pay on the higher side of most retailers. And I never regretted it because at the end of the day I was just doing my job. I made sure to not focus on the morality of why people stole. But that being said, there were cases where under our guidelines I should have prosecuted but didn’t simply because of what they were stealing and why (mostly food type items).

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Subversive_Element wrote

*What was your procedure if you or an associate find empty alpha cases hidden with the item obviously gone?

*Did you ever catch anyone using magnets? If so, what did you do?

*Did you ever go hands on to stop anyone? Is it common?

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Crazyguy OP wrote

At Target, yes we went hands on, and would handcuff as well. There are also benches in the office which are bolted to the ground with a second set of handcuffs so you would be cuffed to the bench.

As far as the cases go, it depends on if we could tell where the case came from and what the items were. If we could track down the item (often not very hard to do) we would document the person selecting the item and file a report along with saving video of the incident. This way if we saw the person again, or if another location caught the person we would be able to file charges.

Yes, I’ve caught people using keys. If it was an apprehension, they would get charged with the shoplift, and potentially also charged with use of a burglary tool (depended on how lazy the cop was feeling). I’ve also just walked up to people and told them to get out and not come back. In one case, I pretended to be a shoplifter while a guy was trying to use the key, told him he was using it wrong since he couldn’t get something open, offered to help, got the key and then told him I was LP and he had to leave. I kept his key.

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myMomsDad wrote

Yo, that story about pretending to be a lifter and then taking away the key was fucking hilarious! Gotta give credit where credit is due!

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Haha thanks man, I was honestly pretty proud of that one and had a lot of solid laughs from it, still do actually. Even the dude who I took it from gave me props which was awesome

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JesusNachosForever wrote

Please take these "expert' suggestions with a generous dose of skepticism.

" If you don’t feel safe walking out the front doors, you can always just run out of a fire exit. They can not apprehend at all on a fire exit run out, but also don’t keep your car sitting near those doors because they do usually have a camera on them for license plates." - This is 100% an inaccurate statement AND fire exits have delayed release, meaning 15 seconds of a screaming alarm before the door opens.

Second, "Be sure to go to an area of the store to conceal that would otherwise not have items worth stealing, such as the cereal aisle. You can almost guarantee no store will have a camera covering cereal" is completely false. These CCTV systems are laid out in such a way to lure thieves into aisles with little to no VISIBLE CCTV. Do you really think they'd spend millions of dollars on loss prevention and still leave obvious blind spots? It's a trap.

And lastly, the fitting rooms are a terrible place to conceal. Just google "arrested fitting room shoplifting" and read all the stories for people asking for advice on law forums after being busted.

If I were a suspicious person, I'd almost think these posts were written by a current LP/AP giving bad advice to make apprehensions that much easier. But no one can lie on the internet.

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Alright man, well after years of working for the same company I give advise based on what I’ve seen and experienced. For T@rg3t, fitting room and bathroom apprehensions are an absolute no unless they’ve gained permission from the district supervisor which doesn’t happen unless there have been hundreds of dollars worth of confirmed thefts from the same individual performing the same kind of theft at the same store. So again, unless they break the rules, or you’re an idiot, it’s safe.

As the the camera thing, if you can’t see a dome, they can’t see you. The only other option for not having a dome with a camera is a covert camera, which can be used to observe people without them realizing they’re being watched. However, these are almost exclusively used for internal theft, because each store can only typically run 2-3 of these coverts, and to use one to watch cereal would be an absolutely stupid idea.

As for your idea of getting more apprehensions based on these posts... I would need millions of people to see this, in the hopes that even a few would come into my store and utilize these tactics in order to even have the option of apprehending one. I wouldn’t put that much effort into a single apprehension, I really wouldn’t need it. I worked in a small sized store and managed 50-60 apprehensions per year on my own, when a store that size only needed about 12 per year to justify my position. I understand your concern, however that’s not the point of this post. If people don’t want to follow it because they’re skeptical, that’s totally fine, but hopefully my hints help a few people out.

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MoneyComesfirst wrote

wow a few stories of shoplifters getting caught by tackles and in the bathroom compared to the 100,000s of thounsands of shoplifters out there....

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Crazyguy OP wrote

Also, the fire exit comment you made is 100% false on your end. Do you really think a corporation would allow a time delay on an emergency exit? Not only are they used for fires, but also active shooter situations, and many other emergencies. By having a delay on them, they would be not only opening themselves up to massive lawsuits should something happen, but every fire marshal in the country would be losing their shit, and target would immediately face millions in fines for this.

If anyone wants to doubt me, walk into any target, and walk out of push open a fire exit. IT WILL OPEN IMMEDIATELY

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JesusNachosForever wrote

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/17336/why-are-emergency-exits-that-dont-immediately-open-legal

https://forums.thefirepanel.com/viewtopic.php?t=7173

Totally legal, and I've seen them in nearly every target I've ever been to. I'll assume you were having an off day, and didn't mean to make this post.

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Crazyguy OP wrote

I would assume you’re correct with the sign being there for theft prevention, however if someone were to actually hit it, they would open. There is no way a store would risk millions in lawsuits over a $500 walkout through those doors if someone were to get hurt or die to it actually being on a timer.

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Crazyguy OP wrote

I’ve literally never seen that before. My statement still stands though, walk into a target and hit the door, it’ll open immediately.

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Lemons0740 wrote

lp guy ia right 100 percent they open every damn time ...trust me i know now some hve little hallways and another door to exit but will always open ....now doors with the delay are out there yes they are but very rare ...but they are at some lowes and sma club

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