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BigThief wrote (edited )

Have not been caught but what I have observed while being a witness for a trial.

If you are caught ALWAYS get a lawyer. The defendents that entered court and did not have a lawyer were almost always sentenced to jail. And not 30 days but a year or more. These were for misdemeanor theft charges. No elevated charges for running or obstruction charges just lifting under $500!

The ones that did have lawyers almost always plead the charge down to disorderly conduct with no fine, no jail, no community service. I spoke to several lawyers and the response was always the lawyer will communicate with the prosecution and always negotiate the charges down and first time offenders get their records expunged after 365 days.

This is limited to my state and also a particular county. I have another county in my state that is known to never negotiate. They are a big red district and proud of their 'tough stance on crimes".

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TheSun OP wrote (edited )

thank you for your advice that's beneficial.I am not living in USA.My country is really tough about theft.It has no specific punishment but if i steal stuff from a supermarket or any store it's punishment is imprisonment 1 year to 3 years.But because of the regret and ''Low price items''it can be convert to only money punishment but it has no specific price like 50 bucks.It mostly being punished by imprisonment.It's too bad.

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black_fox wrote

good advice for anything is to always get a lawyer. do not ever talk to law enforcement. do not say anything other than asking for a lawyer. unfortunately my advice is only limited to the US as i don't know how any other countries' "justice" systems operate.

this video is worth the watch https://invidio.us/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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falcons wrote

When I did AP, I had several lifters that went to prison. But we did case building to get more bang for the buck so to speak.

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BigThief wrote

I always thought case building was a myth except for ORC.

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falcons wrote

no not at all. We wouldn't case build over some bs $15 paper towel rolls or candy type stuff, but any high ticket, or high theft items, we would case build about 98% of the time

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Eldermillennial wrote

How does case building work?

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falcons wrote

several ways really. First, we know that cops usually dont give a crap about low dollar stuff. SO what we would do is estanblish trends and patters with merchandise and known shoplifters. If we kept seeing a person in the store time and time again but they would never buy something, chances are somethings up. So then we would research video. See what we would find. We had reporting software were we could log and track various cases. Eventually we nail down a suspect and the various items they have taken along with the video evidence over days, weeks, month, etc. All that would go into a known theft suspect folder. Once they would reach that felony level, then police usually care more and put more effort into their investigations. So once its at or close to that felony level, we turn it over to police all while still collecting evidence and case building further. If we had plates, ID, or CC or Debit card info, we would turn that over right away so they can identify more quickly, whether or not it was at the felony level.

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