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Freux wrote

My good friend Wiki says:

In 1950, Hoxsey submitted case histories of 77 patients to the National Cancer Institute (NCI), claiming that they were "fully documented with clinical records and pathological reports" and that they would demonstrate his treatment's effectiveness. However, the NCI found that of these 77 reports, only 6 included actual tissue biopsies. Of the 2 biopsies from patients described by Hoxsey as having "internal cancer", neither showed any evidence of actual malignancy. The NCI concluded that Hoxsey's records did not contain sufficient information to evaluate his treatment. Hoxsey argued that it was the NCI's responsibility to seek out the information necessary to verify his case reports, and attributed the failure to do so to a conspiracy on the part of the NCI and AMA

In 1967, Hoxsey developed prostate cancer, and his own treatment failed to cure it.

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EmeraldShark wrote

"fully documented with clinical records and pathological reports" and that they would demonstrate his treatment's effectiveness. However, the NCI found that of these 77 reports, only 6 included actual tissue biopsies.

Absence of evidence does not prove absence of effect. Ex: Tobacco science is the scientific interpretation of data in such a way that actual effects are ignored. You need to accept the facts. Hoxsey was a farmer, owned horses. He had no laboratory, and his medical treatment regiment required no invasive medical tools. There was no need to take biopsies because his medical treatment was never a question of harm, unlike chemotherapy, he need not need prove malignancy because his medicine in question was non-harmful and non-invasive.

The NCI concluded that Hoxsey's records did not contain sufficient information to evaluate his treatment.

To this day, herbs are not studied, recommended, or used for medical treatment. "Medical Marijuana" is still FEDERALLY ILLEGAL SCHEDULE 1 DRUG.

In 1967, Hoxsey developed prostate cancer, and his own treatment failed to cure it.

He was 73 years old! Life expectancy was only 66 years old for males in 1967. He would of had a compromised immune system, and herbs work by supporting the bodies natural ability to heal and repair it's DNA. Conventional chemo would have murdered him, but that wouldn't even make you raise an eyebrow.

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Freux wrote

Wiki again: "Because he failed to respond to his eponymous therapy, Hoxsey underwent surgery and standard medical treatment. He died seven years later, in 1974."

He was 66 when he got diagnosed with cancer and standard medical treatment extend his life until 73 years old. While he would have died earlier with is "miracle therapy".

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EmeraldShark wrote

It's not a miracle therapy, some may call it that, but people will call all manner of things miracles.

"Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it. We will one day understand what causes it, and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with everything in the universe." - Hippocrates, Father of Medicine

Plants have medicinal effects, certainly medical marijuana is one example, but what an absurd case indeed if medical marijuana was the only healing plant since it is a federally banned schedule 1 drug.

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Freux wrote

Nobody is denying medicinal effects of plants, but I'm sure denying unproved effect of plants curing cancer and whatnot.

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EmeraldShark wrote

It sounds like your denying the medicinal effects of plants.

"Cannabis has been shown to kill cancer cells in the laboratory" - cancer.gov

List of Anti-Cancer Herbs with Cited Studies - There are three types of Anti-Cancer herbs: "cytotoxic - action against tumors in vitro (i.e. in laboratory cell cultures); anti-tumor - toxic to tumors in animals; anti-cancer - action against tumors in human trials."

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Freux wrote

No I don't deny them and yes I agree that there is a need for more studies about herbs and their benefit, lack thereof, and/or harmfulness.

From the link you gave:

"Note - this page uses the term "anticancer" with a broad brush; and it is the most widely-used term - however please note that the National Cancer Institute considers that the term "anticancer herb" is not accurate enough. Their definition gives three terms: cytotoxic - action against tumors in vitro (i.e. in laboratory cell cultures); anti-tumor - toxic to tumors in animals; anti-cancer - action against tumors in human trials. Ref. article on this with many more points - http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1583

Mechanisms by which herbs may fight against or have a preventative effect on cancer are varied and the science complex. Some herbs may act as "immunomodulators" - stimulating the immune system to fight against cancer cells. Others may have a direct cytotoxic action - however this does not necessarily mean they should immediately be used; as an agent that has been shown to be toxic to cancer cells may also be toxic to healthy cells. Some herbs (such as Milk thistle) have been found by studies to act selectively against cancer cells and this is considered a highly desired quality.

One of the challenges of the work against cancer is that there are so many factors which may influence it, that it becomes difficult to pin down both actual causes and beneficial agents in real life. I for one would welcome large scale "big data" type research which might more easily detect correlations between lifestyle, dietary and supplement factors with incidence of cancer."

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EmeraldShark wrote

You don't need more studies, you just need to ask the right questions.

Why aren't herbs being studied?
Who studies medicine?
Why doesn't big pharma study herbs for medicine?
Why isn't there profit in herbs?
Why does big pharma suppress valid medicine?
Why does government listen to big pharma if they suppress medicine?
Why can corporations donate money to politicians?
So herbs actually work?
What herbs treat my condition?
How does this herb treat my condition?
How has this herb worked on other people with my condition?
How much do I take?
How much does it cost?
Do I want to try?
Do I want to go my entire life wondering, what if?

"If I had an hour an hour to solve a problem and my life depended on the solution, I would spend the first 55 minutes determining the right question to ask, for once I know the proper question, I could solve the problem in 5 minutes?" - Albert Einstein