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toparov1 wrote (edited )

No, just no, this bullshit kills people, it's killed a couple of my patients, "herbal medicine" doesn't work, cancer survival rates are climbing and have been for a long time, we had millennia of "herbal medicine" it didn't work. It's not just cancer, it's everything, human life expectancy has rocketed because empirically sound , evidence based modern medicine works and past alternatives did not.

Don't prey on desperate people with these lethal scams, the American healthcare system is hard enough, cancer is hard enough for cancer sufferers without also being victimised by scammers.

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EmeraldShark wrote

human life expectancy has rocketed because empirically sound, evidence based modern medicine works and past alternatives did not

In 1900, pneumonia and influenza, tuberculosis, and enteritis with diarrhea were the three leading causes of death in the United States

Yeah, it's nice having sanitation and grocery stores with OJ. What were you saying again?

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toparov1 wrote (edited )

We have effective sanitation because empirical medicine discovered germ theory after millennia of "herbal medicine" failed to properly understand it and address it.

We have excellent survival rates for pneumonia because empirical medicine discovered and mass manufactured effective antibiotics after millennia of "herbal medicine" failing to do so effectively.

Tuberculosis contained due to again antibiotics and vaccinations, more empirical scientific medicine solving another problem.

Enteritis was solved again due to germ theory and anti bacterial treatment on food but also critically by rotavirus vaccinations for severe strains. Again empirical, scientific medicine solved it after millennia of "herbal medicine" failing to.

Thank you for perfectly proving my point though.

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EmeraldShark wrote

empirical medicine discovered and mass manufactured effective antibiotics after millennia of "herbal medicine" failing to do so effectively

3000BC: Many ancient cultures, including those in Egypt, Greece, and India, independently discovered the useful properties of fungi and plants in treating infection.
1640: England apothecaries such as John Parkinson, King's Herbarian advocated the use of mold to treat infections in the book Pharmacology.
1870: Scientists discovered that bacteria would not grow in the presence of a mold culture
1928: Penicillin, the first antibiotic was derived from the mold culture: Penicillium fungi.
1961: First antibiotic resistant infection super bug: MRSA
2013: Big Pharma drops antibiotic development due to poor profit margins.
2017: WHO declares drug-resistant super bugs a global crisis projected to kill more people than cancer by 2050.

"Foolish the doctor who despises the knowledge acquired by the ancients." - Hippocrates

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Freux wrote

What's the truth about cancer and what are the alternative for curing someone?

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EmeraldShark wrote (edited )

What's the truth about cancer

"Prior to the Flexer Report, there was no real pharmaceutical industry per se and no single governing authority dictating the course of medicine. But this quickly changed after the oil industry saw potential for profit in its new idea.
'The Rockefellers started finding out through organic chemistry that they could alter oil-based molecules into all kinds of things, and they developed these into patented drugs, or drug molecules.' Dr. Bell explained to me, 'Now these were very profitable, but in order for the public to accept them - because quite honestly, they're poison - they would have to take control of the education system.'" pg.25

"By preying on people's emotions, you can effectively sell them almost anything. This was the crux of Bernay's newfound marketing approach, which would later be used to sell people on the idea of "modern" medicine.... 'The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in the democratic societies.' Bernays wrote in his formative 1928 book Propagandha....Bernay's diverse clientele ranged from major corporations like General Electric and Procter & Gamble to the American Tobacco Company and even a handful of American presidents. His 'Lucky in Love' campaign helped make cigarettes appealing to young couples; his 'Torches of Freedom' campaign during a 1929 Easter parade helped more women to smoke; and his 1930s smoking campaign led the charge in marketing tobacco as not only a way to lose weight, but also soothe a sore throat!... Bernay's techniques were so effective at thwarting public opinion that Joseph Goebbels, Adolf Hitler's chief propagandist, borrowed many of them during World War II as a way to rally support for the Nazi party." pg.52

"These pharmaceutical companies will have written for them 'ghost' articles, and what they'll do is they'll just get this company that writes articles that look just like beautiful medical articles with all the graphs and charts and numbers and references, and they wrote it. They'll then go to an oncologist that's very well known and say, wouldn't you like to put your name on this article? And if you do, it's going to be in a very prestigious journal - in the New England Journal of Medicine or some oncology journal that's very prestigious.
A lot of these people attempt this because it puts their name even further out front, so they'll say, yeah, put my name on it. And so they'll put a string of names on the article who had nothing to with writing it, and nothing to do with the study, and they'll end up in a prestigious journal. Well these journals they choose are the ones that affect how doctors behave and how they treat patients." pg. 58

what are the alternative for curing someone?

I don't like to give medical advice if I haven't tried it myself but the book speaks highly of the Hoxsey Protocol.
"The Hoxsey protocol is both simple and highly effective, which is why it became popular very quickly. The herbal concoction's ability to strengthen immunity and detoxify waste and toxins from tumors, causing them to necrotize, was appealing to cancer patients who were apprehensive about chemotherapy and radiation, and all the nasty side effects these treatments cause.
Historical records indicate Harry was arrested more than 100 times for allegedly practicing medicine without a license, and his tonics were eventually forced out of the limelight. His popularity among his patients, however, most of whom were cured using the protocol, as well as legislators, judges, and even other doctors, helped protect Harry from ever being convicted of his alleged crimes - at least for a time. Nearly everyone who looked at the evidence, including those who were opposed to the Hoxsey Tonic initially had a change of heart after witnessing it successes first hand."

Me personally, I've had leukemia, I only used Cat's Claw, which contains DNA repairing properties, and nutrition. Since DNA is a phosphate+sugar+base, I decided that I needed to eat eggs, fruit, and meat. I also ate Amaranthe Oil which contains high quantities of Squalene, a chemical that gives sharks immunity to cancer. I never had chemo or drugs and got better after 3 months. But I got leukemia after getting electrocuted, so I didn't get cancer from poor lifestyle. Additionally a healthy environment is important, low rf, spend time in nature. I believe I would have healed much faster, probably one month or less, if I wasn't in such a bad environment.
There's a lot of ways to treat cancer, the real healer is the body, all I do is give my body the tools and the ingredients to fix itself. That's all, the body does the rest.

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Freux wrote

My good friend Wiki says:

In 1950, Hoxsey submitted case histories of 77 patients to the National Cancer Institute (NCI), claiming that they were "fully documented with clinical records and pathological reports" and that they would demonstrate his treatment's effectiveness. However, the NCI found that of these 77 reports, only 6 included actual tissue biopsies. Of the 2 biopsies from patients described by Hoxsey as having "internal cancer", neither showed any evidence of actual malignancy. The NCI concluded that Hoxsey's records did not contain sufficient information to evaluate his treatment. Hoxsey argued that it was the NCI's responsibility to seek out the information necessary to verify his case reports, and attributed the failure to do so to a conspiracy on the part of the NCI and AMA

In 1967, Hoxsey developed prostate cancer, and his own treatment failed to cure it.

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EmeraldShark wrote

"fully documented with clinical records and pathological reports" and that they would demonstrate his treatment's effectiveness. However, the NCI found that of these 77 reports, only 6 included actual tissue biopsies.

Absence of evidence does not prove absence of effect. Ex: Tobacco science is the scientific interpretation of data in such a way that actual effects are ignored. You need to accept the facts. Hoxsey was a farmer, owned horses. He had no laboratory, and his medical treatment regiment required no invasive medical tools. There was no need to take biopsies because his medical treatment was never a question of harm, unlike chemotherapy, he need not need prove malignancy because his medicine in question was non-harmful and non-invasive.

The NCI concluded that Hoxsey's records did not contain sufficient information to evaluate his treatment.

To this day, herbs are not studied, recommended, or used for medical treatment. "Medical Marijuana" is still FEDERALLY ILLEGAL SCHEDULE 1 DRUG.

In 1967, Hoxsey developed prostate cancer, and his own treatment failed to cure it.

He was 73 years old! Life expectancy was only 66 years old for males in 1967. He would of had a compromised immune system, and herbs work by supporting the bodies natural ability to heal and repair it's DNA. Conventional chemo would have murdered him, but that wouldn't even make you raise an eyebrow.

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Freux wrote

Wiki again: "Because he failed to respond to his eponymous therapy, Hoxsey underwent surgery and standard medical treatment. He died seven years later, in 1974."

He was 66 when he got diagnosed with cancer and standard medical treatment extend his life until 73 years old. While he would have died earlier with is "miracle therapy".

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EmeraldShark wrote

It's not a miracle therapy, some may call it that, but people will call all manner of things miracles.

"Men think epilepsy divine, merely because they do not understand it. We will one day understand what causes it, and then cease to call it divine. And so it is with everything in the universe." - Hippocrates, Father of Medicine

Plants have medicinal effects, certainly medical marijuana is one example, but what an absurd case indeed if medical marijuana was the only healing plant since it is a federally banned schedule 1 drug.

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Freux wrote

Nobody is denying medicinal effects of plants, but I'm sure denying unproved effect of plants curing cancer and whatnot.

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EmeraldShark wrote

It sounds like your denying the medicinal effects of plants.

"Cannabis has been shown to kill cancer cells in the laboratory" - cancer.gov

List of Anti-Cancer Herbs with Cited Studies - There are three types of Anti-Cancer herbs: "cytotoxic - action against tumors in vitro (i.e. in laboratory cell cultures); anti-tumor - toxic to tumors in animals; anti-cancer - action against tumors in human trials."

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Freux wrote

No I don't deny them and yes I agree that there is a need for more studies about herbs and their benefit, lack thereof, and/or harmfulness.

From the link you gave:

"Note - this page uses the term "anticancer" with a broad brush; and it is the most widely-used term - however please note that the National Cancer Institute considers that the term "anticancer herb" is not accurate enough. Their definition gives three terms: cytotoxic - action against tumors in vitro (i.e. in laboratory cell cultures); anti-tumor - toxic to tumors in animals; anti-cancer - action against tumors in human trials. Ref. article on this with many more points - http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.aspx?Id=1583

Mechanisms by which herbs may fight against or have a preventative effect on cancer are varied and the science complex. Some herbs may act as "immunomodulators" - stimulating the immune system to fight against cancer cells. Others may have a direct cytotoxic action - however this does not necessarily mean they should immediately be used; as an agent that has been shown to be toxic to cancer cells may also be toxic to healthy cells. Some herbs (such as Milk thistle) have been found by studies to act selectively against cancer cells and this is considered a highly desired quality.

One of the challenges of the work against cancer is that there are so many factors which may influence it, that it becomes difficult to pin down both actual causes and beneficial agents in real life. I for one would welcome large scale "big data" type research which might more easily detect correlations between lifestyle, dietary and supplement factors with incidence of cancer."

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EmeraldShark wrote

You don't need more studies, you just need to ask the right questions.

Why aren't herbs being studied?
Who studies medicine?
Why doesn't big pharma study herbs for medicine?
Why isn't there profit in herbs?
Why does big pharma suppress valid medicine?
Why does government listen to big pharma if they suppress medicine?
Why can corporations donate money to politicians?
So herbs actually work?
What herbs treat my condition?
How does this herb treat my condition?
How has this herb worked on other people with my condition?
How much do I take?
How much does it cost?
Do I want to try?
Do I want to go my entire life wondering, what if?

"If I had an hour an hour to solve a problem and my life depended on the solution, I would spend the first 55 minutes determining the right question to ask, for once I know the proper question, I could solve the problem in 5 minutes?" - Albert Einstein