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ziq wrote (edited )

Your argument is that one specific ape species is more important than all other lifeforms and our interests and comforts should always be paramount, despite whatever damage it would cause to others (and ultimately to ourselves in the not-so long run).

That is quite at odds with anarchy, which opposes all hieraechies and oppression; not just ones that inconvience you personally.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm sorry, but I don't remember saying anything about hating people. Your insistence that rooting for the survival of the whole planet; including people is somehow the same thing as hating people is surreal to me. It's bad enough that you're saying 'fuck the rest of the planet and the future of our children, my immediate pleasure is all that matters', but now you're somehow turning that into a moral argument?

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autonomous_hippopotamus OP wrote

Isn't it possible that post-civ can

a) reject anthropocentrism: the idea human beings are inherently superior, more important than other lifeforms and therefore have the right to dominate and exploit nature

while also

b) Recognizing that we are humans, and as a species have distinct interests when it comes to our survival (as both individuals and as a species) and have to utilize technology, there's a certain level of environmental destruction/disruption that is unnavoidable but we can strive to minimize this.

Is that eco-extremism, or is that not post-civ ?

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autonomous_hippopotamus OP wrote

Well i can respect your point of view. And i would regard some primitivists as enemies particularly cults like Deep Green Resistance, and asorted transphobes and general xenophobes who asosciate in that milieu. But i wouldn't say Prims are enemies by default, i've known lots of anarcho-primtivists who are all around descent anarchists/activists who support trans rights and aren't crypto eugenicists.

With Post-Civ there seems to be a pretty broad spectrum of belief on the question of technology, so it might not be accurate to say all post-civ folks believe in going back to some low tech, tribal organization, though i'm sure there's people who believe that. But i do think you can be critical of anthropocentrism without being a self-hated human and celebrating the deaths of billions of people, but that's just me.

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