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Bezotcovschina wrote

I think I get what you saying, but I disagree. You see, exclusion of human things from nature may suggest that there is no way of harmonic coexistence. In my opinion, the way of thinking of humanity as a part of nature is more useful and promising.

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simianthrope wrote

I don't think that is the reason why we're producing crap that destroys wild life. There is of course the domestication angle, one that is rather about "civilized vs savage" dichotomy. Tho the philosophical foundations in themselves may be overrated.

Why do people keep buying/consuming cars and make babies, for instance? Is this really because they see themselves as separate from the natural world?

I'm finding this narrative to be counter-productive and not that well-founded.

Our cities are filled with cars and people still make plenty of babies even if there's zero need for those, other than, in some cases, financial incentives by governments. Just these two things in themselves, continuous unneeded procreation and car-based cultures, and putting an incredible economic weight on natural ecosystems, destroying and/or exploiting those on a large scale. You should the story, by now.

People are into capital, power. Or obtaining more. At least that's how they are programmed to be into. Cars and babies are seen as tools for this, to gain more power and accumulate more capital.

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