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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

'uwu competition is great, fuck the 'weak,' only the mighty should prevail!'

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Surely you can enjoy some competition without turning into some “fuck the weak” type.

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ruin wrote

I wouldn’t bother with reason.

Ironically, this is clearly a “competition” of virtue signaling at this point.

Are you a fascist or an anti fascist? With us or against us?

The most boring game of identity politics there is.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Yeah I’m pretty bored. Mind you it feels a bit funny to be on this many layers of virtue signalling.

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ruin wrote

Yep. I wouldn’t bother usually but this situation seems especially absurd and I had a free moment so...

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

It’s addictive isn’t it?

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

You're certainly trying to twist my words. You chugging that ideology too?

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Have you ever met a Gamer? The point isn't that 'games will make you into x,' but there should be no surprise why most Gamers are fucked up.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Are you suggesting that the slightest bit of competition will make you as bad as they are?

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

In a hyper-capitalist society where competition is fetishized and held to a grand ideal, yes, quite possibly. Especially when the vast majority of Americans have such strong desires of gloating about how hard they hustle and how deserving of their petty desires because they worked hard.

Competition and survival of the fittest is deeply ingrained in even some of the most anti-capitalist people.

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bloodrose wrote

This is an interesting take. My mother really enjoys board and card games. She becomes hyper competitive. I have for years avoided playing with her because the hyper-competitiveness sucks and I don't enjoy it. (My brothers and I would play for 2nd place growing up because she always won)

With Covid, all of our visits are outdoor and she has started to push us to play board games. She's getting meaner and meaner now. Our last visit, she was meanly competitive with my 6 year old, making her cry when she lost. It was disgusting. (I promised my kid next time we play, I'll be banker and will secretly cheat so her grandma loses.) I think this gaming competition is making my mom a worse person.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

I'm sorry you have to go through that. It's a problem that is showing it's face in other replies to this post. This is an issue in every part of our culture and it's so deeply ingrained people like OP will ignore it while saying stuff like:

"I would even consider this debate as a form of competition on some level. We're both trying to argue our points of view, but that doesn't mean there must be a winner and a loser."

Or even worse, those people trying to make comparisons to the way dogs play, and the issue with that is, well, we aren't dogs. The ideology of competition is so strong and difficult to shed. The moment "play," becomes as toxic as this it is no longer "play," but now about the desire to dominate and feel superior to others.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Ok, we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

There is no we in this moment. Competition is a sickness that is dragging this planet into a spiraling hell-hole. We're doomed and there is no stopping it.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Yep, and checkers are to blame.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Where did I say video games cause it? Did you even read the article?

The desire for competition is the problem, not video games. Try harder, buckaroo, no one is trying to take your video games away lol wtf.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

No I’m just being an asshole because this thread started by talking about competitive games and now we’re talking about the doom of our species, which is strange.

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RadicalConstructivist wrote

The article was using video games as a jumping off point for talking about how ingrained competition is in our culture more generally. It was never really about video games specifically

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Never mentioned video games actually. Was mostly pushing back on absurd leaps of logic.

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RadicalConstructivist wrote

tbh it looks to me like you came in here and made some incorrect assumptions about the actual arguments being made because you didn't read the context (ie the article)

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

I skimmed it and found it pretty irritating. So you’re right that I didn’t fully read it, nor do I care to.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Then why did you feel the need to jump in and discuss it? Seems like you had no interest, but yet still felt the need to join the conversation. It's because you think this is a case of 'video games will make you a killer,' and that's not even the point being made.

Blowing hot air.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote (edited )

Because I found the overall tone of the article pretentious as well as its defences.

And reread the fucking thread, I offered some mild pushback on your weird leap to social Darwinism.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

You said you skimmed it.

You told me we need to agree to disagree. I don't think there is anything to agree on. Competition is a sickness that will destroy this planet. Is climate change now suddenly not happening? Are whole forests now suddenly not being cut down? Are wars not being fault for dwindling resources?

People crave competition because they are told to from a young age.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Yep. I gave it a quick look and found it irritating.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

Astonishing, really. Willing to derail a conversation because you didn't like the 'feel,' of an article.

That other person was right. No sense in reason.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

I’m willing to derail a conversation purely for personal entertainment but yes in this case I decided the author was being annoying.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

I should have listened to the people telling me about this place. They weren't wrong.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Which ones? There’s a lot of people who hate this place.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote

I’m willing to derail a conversation purely for personal entertainment

The people who told me it's just Reddit 2.0 with a lot more self-arrogance. It's literally just Reddit with extra steps and actually LESS useful dialogue, which is strange to say.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

You can find some really interesting and insightful stuff here as a matter of fact. This article failed to provide it.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

As long as you follow the party line, yes. If not, as you said, you will derail it for your own enjoyment.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

The unwavering defense of 'competition,' is what is dooming our species. Read the articles and let's talk about the desire to dominate that is endemic to most hyper-capitalist cultures. This is about way more than just the video games.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Never put one forth actually. You’ve been making increasingly absolutist and melodramatic statements.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

And you keep avoiding the discussion related to the article in the thread about said article.

You reduced the point to 'lol games don't make you x,' which wasn't even the point to begin with.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote (edited )

Oh that’s because I don’t really care to discuss the article itself, more the discussion around it.

Oh and I was answering your logical leap where “competition doesn’t need to be awful” became “kill the weak” in your mind.

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inthedustofthisplanet wrote (edited )

I think mental gymnastics are neat.

OOh and I was answering your logical leap where “competition doesn’t need to be awful” became “kill the weak” in your mind.

You clearly don't know many Gamers.

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