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jinzo wrote

I can't stand movies nowadays. Like, are there that many SJW Karens to pander for, or they aiming for the people that turn their brain off and want to see flashy effects with hot actors instead of a good story. yes, I'm talking about the classic Fast & Furious fans.

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UnlikelyCommittee wrote

The Marvel movies aren't exactly revolutionary material. But I feel their movies at least nod their head to actual bad stuff.

Like, in the first Iron Man, initially bad guy is your token scary arab terrorist group. Ends up being US arms manufacturers and the systems that create war. (A far more plausible scenario for actual bad guys).

In the end their messages are always washed out tho, but the directors there at least seem to be "good people" more often than not.

Generally the DC universe feels a bit more bootlicky to me.

I just enjoy the big explosions and shit tho. I'm a simple guy. I take my heavy culture in paper form.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

I hate films that involve wish-fulfillment because they tend to involve terrible writing. Another example is "Bruce Almighty".

If you granted every person in the world one wish, for every person seeking wealth or power or the death of enemies there would be at least one asking for a cure for cancer, the return of a dead loved one, or an end to domestic violence.

It makes Wonder Woman's speech at the end of the film ridiculous, when she says the world was flawed but their wishes are making it worse and they have to renounce them. At its core, this kind of story is a defense of the status quo - the theme that the world can't be better than it is because the average person is too selfish. Fuck that.

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AnarcheAmor wrote

So the sequel to the politically messed up movie is also politically terrible? I'll pretend to be shocked.

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jaidedctrl wrote (edited )

Was WW particularly political? I just remember glorifying US soldiers (political), and Nazi Germany having mutant juice or something..?

EDIT: Ok maybe the whole "savior" schtick that's inherent in superhero movies is sorta political? "We need a good guy with insane, uncheck power to save us!"

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AnarcheAmor wrote (edited )

Other things like Dir. Jenkins' choice to make Zeus the patron god and creator of Amazons and Diana's father, Ares being able to kill all the other gods and being the sole reason why Diana was born, and a whole list of other choices seems to be driven by some half-baked patriarchal feminism that rejects the woman-centric storytelling of traditional Wonder Woman storylines for something that wraps the women of the film in a blanket of male leadership and guidance that wavers between being subtle and overt.

If the patriarchy branded feminism doesn't turn you off, how about the cisheteronormativity? Remember that part where Diana tells Steve that men are only needed for reproduction just for her to turn around and fall in love with the guy (to the point that she remained heartbroken for his death for more than a century), or her reactions to a baby crying because of course, somehow, she knows how to be maternal coming from an island where babies outside of herself never existed, or her overall characterization basically being "born sexy yesterday"? Yeah? Well combined with the mentioned above love affair between her mom and Zeus, you start to see my problem.

Combine this with the already well noted politics surrounding Gal Gadot, superhero mythology, etc., and Wonder Woman is a blockbuster neoliberal cocktail of the worst kind. Keep in mind, this has been Wonder Woman's comic book trajectory for decades now but it hits a new low when you take Etta, the nazi-punching sorority sister, multiple time savior of Wonder Woman, and turn her into a secretary stereotype for Wonder Woman to make a quip and give us one those try-on haul scenes that pops up in every movie about a woman.

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