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Freux wrote (edited )

“men are murdering us and abusing children and you think I have time to theorise on why they can’t cry? Lmao not me hun.”

Seem that this quote was in response to "men have it hard too" so I don't see the problem with it. I disagree with that person's opinion.

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Freux wrote

I agree that men suffer too but going to a woman and telling her she should focus on men problem's too is outside the point. It's not a woman's responsability to take care of men's problems, men themselves need to step up.

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Freux wrote

Is it patriarchy that is killing all of those men? Feminism isn't an umbrella for all the issues you named.

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Freux wrote

But you brought those issue yourself...

Poor men's problems aren't a feminist issue.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You dont see any irony in saying all "carnists" deserve to be shot but that women not having the time or energy to care about mens' internal conflicts is problematic?

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

We already know it's your view, you said it when I called you on calling pig meat pork to the holocaust and you got big mad. If your views changed, awesome. But I'm not holding my breath.

Sure I do. But you're equating a woman saying "fuck that I don't have time to care about men" with going on someone's feed while they're grieving and calling their dead a sex offender. Men are fragile as shit.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Today I learned every subsistence farmer, herder, and everyone who's had to eat meat for whatever social or economic pressure is on the same level of the nazis. Oh wait, I learned that weeks ago.

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pearl wrote (edited )

I want to hear you, right now, tell me that the chicken farm next county over is equal to Treblinka.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

You're not really good at this whole banter thing are you? But like, good to know that people compared on the regular to plague rats and swine are the actual moral equivalents of rats and swine and their systematic slaughter holds equal weight.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

Did you miss that whole conversation where I came at you from the perspective of someone who's actually worked a subsistence farm and knows the difference between slaughter of an old pig for meat and the senseless cruelty of the abbatoir? I take pride in defending other filthy lowborn proles who don't have the means to live up to your bizzare moral puritanism, especially when you're so quick to compare horrific tragedies of an entirely different calibre to fuel your superiority complex. And to repeat myself from before, good fucking luck shooting any 'carnist'. You're too weak to do it.

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Freux wrote (edited )

  1. Some people can't afford a vegan diet for whatever reason.
  2. The meat industry is huge and normalized, consumers aren't 100% to blame.

Saying meat eaters should be shot is fine if you want to piss off a meat eater but as an actual belief that's really fucked up.

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Freux wrote

Do you see the distinction between acknowledging the existence of a mass murder, and then arguing that the perpetrators and their supporters should be shot?

Sounded like you agreed that you said that before, sorry about that.

Identifying the source of the problem is a good way to know what to fight.

Your last question make no sense, if someone can't afford a vegan diet they will have to buy the meat regardless of how the animals got killed. I agree with you that those that can afford it (again there is exception) shouldn't be eating meat.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

It's not a feminist issue, but it's certainly a gendered issue

Men should have the political self-confidence to articulate themselves as a social group without defaulting to feminism. It dilutes both feminism & their own shit.

FIGURE YOUR OWN MOVEMENT OUT

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celebratedrecluse wrote

As an aside, the Men's Liberation Movement used to be a thing, but it kind of got absorbed by the gay marriage movement which took over queer politics for...a long time, in the US anyway. Now that they won their limited goal, there's no real mobilization left, so is it surprising we have incels and those type of shitty cis hetero men? It kind of reminds me of how electoral campaigns suck the energy out of actual political communities, then leave once the day of voting comes and goes, and then you get festering fascism in minds it otherwise wouldn't have infested.

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