Submitted by lettuceLeafer in Feminism

The most obvious point for this claim. Let's say u used to identify as a woman and one day u decided to be nonbinary. U change ur presentation in no way whatsoever. Does men catcalling u stop being a feminist issue? Does ur inability to get an abortion stop being a feminist issue bc u are not a woman.

The fact of the matter the primary targets of mysogyny are of every gender. I mean being a woman is related but like I feel like thinking womaness is the central point is letting the concept of feminism be controlled by mysogynistic men rather than having feminism be a concept on helping to uplift and talk about the oppression of those under patriarchy.

The main targets of patriarchy come as men, women, queer nonbinary whatever. Being a women is irrelevant. Yes it's often bc society misgenders them as women but the feminist forum doesn't need to take a play from creepy men and drag this patriarchal, queerphobic mysogyny into the feminism forum.

Maybe the statement "feminism is a movement for the abolishment do women's oppression" is a easy and quick definition but raddle has never been a place where being concise was valued more than being inclusive.

Not sure sure what a better definition should be imo, but my suggestion would be just to remove it as it doesn't do much but make it sound like a terf or at least non-inclusive femism forum. Which starts off on the wrong foot 4 sure.

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tuesday wrote

I like what bell hooks said in Feminism is for Everybody

Simply put, feminism is a movement to end sexism, sexist exploitation, and oppression.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I would think this would be the best answer tho I do wonder if some nuance and understanding is lost when u don't mention the clear dynamic how men passing people have substantial benefit over female passing people. Which is hard nuance to have while being gender inclusive as this nuance is based often on queer people being misgendered and treated as a wrong gender.

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