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ruinsociety wrote

Obviously, screw both these rich asses who committed domestic abuse against each other. However, I'm concerned about the reaction towards Heard that we didn't really see with Depp. I don't remember Depp getting the same vitriolic reaction. There is definitely a sexist undertone with Heard we didn't see with Depp. I'm nervous that the sexists now have more fuel for their attacks on women.

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fortifiedmischief wrote

omg the texts he sent..... jesus christ

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Styx OP wrote

“Let’s burn Amber.”

“Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will f--k her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she is dead.”

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Potkea wrote

The article quotes him as saying “Hopefully that c*nt’s rotting corpse is decomposing in the fucking trunk of a Honda Civic,” and “I will fuck her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she’s dead.”

I haven’t been following this case that closely, but it seems to me ATM that both sides are monsters.

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fortifiedmischief wrote

idk exactly, I'm just hearing from people about how he's apparently being witty on the stand ... perhaps a la style de captain jack sparrow

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bloodrose wrote

When you look at stats for partner physical violence, you see most times when a woman hits a man, it is in response to being hit themselves. Further, it is often less consequential (less physical injuries, hospitalizations, etc.). Depp already lost a defamation lawsuit about beating Amber Heard in the UK. I am no lawyer but I've heard defamation is a much easier win in the UK and that is why a lot of news stories from there sound weird to Americans. That is enough for me to believe he beat his wife. Do I know if her domestic violence was a direct response? No, but it's statistically likely.

What I do know is a LOT of MRAs are being fucking monsters about Amber Heard. I can use someone's opinion about Amber Heard to gauge whether they are a safe person to be around now.

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Styx OP wrote

Further, it is often less consequential (less physical injuries, hospitalizations, etc.)

And in those rare cases when the physical injuries are consequential, women are given significantly harsher sentences.

But of course, why won't somebody think of a white middle-aged multi-millionaire movie star!

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bloodrose wrote

Because of this thread, I went and listened to Johnny Depp describing what he believed to be narcissistic abuse. I've been avoiding this topic because I have had horrific experiences with abuse. My ex would scream at me me to the point of tears and then claim he had PTSD from my crying. This was before the physical abuse started and was wearing me down to accept the physical abuse. Listening to Depp calmly fucking speak in the same way my ex did, with the same performative bullshit tone has made my whole body hurt. I don't know how one feels their hair but right now, I feel my hair.

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Styx OP wrote

I'm so sorry, Bloodrose!! Please don't expose yourself to this anymore. Depp is clearly using this to continue abusing Heard and it's absolutely okay to block it out. The fucking glee that comes out of these types when they think they are getting away with their violence is too much even for people who never experienced a mere fraction of what you've gone through.

The small silver lining here is that things seem to be changing, too slowly but nonetheless, and we are becoming more and more aware of how convincingly the abusers can 'perform' the victim part. It's just so harrowing how many victims (the Gabby Petito case also 'helped' in this regard) this very small and very slow change requires.

My ex would scream at me me to the point of tears and then claim he had PTSD from my crying

What a fucking classic!

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fortifiedmischief wrote (edited )

will we ever know anything more than a sliver of what happened, when we are so far removed? And of course JD is going to be "entertaining" in a court room... this kind of performance work is right up his alley!

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

Ugh, I actually feel like I should learn about these celebrities so I can argue with at these people saying both sides or whatever. A rock in a hard place, learn about celebert gossip or let the brocalists day shit unchallenged. I mean I would comment but the bad vibe I'm getting from some of these comments might be fair( prob not) but I know nothing about this situation so I can't say.

My comment is extremely unhelpful but I mine as well say why I'm not engaging as to not be confused as me playing both sides. Tho on some level me not participating still sucks.

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another_i wrote (edited )

I have personally been subjected to narcissistic abuse by a female. And Amber Heard strikes me as having all the same characteristics as someone with NPD. Your sex and gender do not excuse you of accountability.

With that said, Depp is not without fault. He's a drug addict and shows all the behaviours of a controlling and abusive codependent (the yin to a narcissist's yang).

IMHO: No one should defend either of these rich and smug celebrity assholes.

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Styx OP wrote (edited )

Can we stop referring to WOMEN as if they were animals? And can we please stop pretending as if it was up to us to decide who is at fault here? Most of all, can we stop diagnosing people we have never met with serious and heavily stigmatised mental health issues?

You are completely missing the point here and your unfortunate experience notwithstanding, you are participating in the misogyny this article is describing. To say that nobody should defend either of them is to say let's continue to ignore the misogyny that all female victims of domestic abuse have to put up with -- on top of the physical, mental and often financial abuse they had gone through -- and let's not challenge why some men continue to abuse women with any means available, including by filing a series of frivolous lawsuits.

If you really think that a 20-something-year-old starlet was on the same playing field as a 50-year old, well-connected A-list actor then I recommend you to come to visit this planet and look around how things work around here.

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another_i wrote (edited )

I agree with and understand your points... No doubt or argument about the discrepancy of power, or men's systematic abuse of women.

My only reaction is that we are all animals, to suggest otherwise is human supremacy. So while I understand your reaction, I humbly submit that I did not intend to offend anyone as "an animal".

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ziq wrote

wtf are you even saying

this site is going downhill

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ziq wrote

someone pay me 25k and the site's yours

or better yet, pool your money and buy it as a collective. 5 anarchists with 5k each

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Elon musk just called me and he will wire the money right away...

He wants a place to discuss Martian AnarchoTranshumanism

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ziq wrote

something tells me he'll pull out at the last minute after wasting everyone's time

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another_i wrote

Oh shit. I offended the gods. Guess I'm outta here now. /me delete.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Cool down, no need to add more to it... people need to knock off this whole ziq=Raddle or ziq is the Duce

Raddle is an effort that involves Emma, TW and many many other ppl

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vos wrote (edited )

No, to suggest otherwise is to have a nuanced, decolonial view of the reality in which the concepts of "humanity" and "animality" have been constructed along the lines of race and gender. A statement like "we are all animals" completely ignores this reality, effectively upholding human supremacy. Similar to how your initial comment was misogynist because it completely ignored the misogynist reality of domestic violence.

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fewch wrote

'female', wahahahaha, like you fuckin got her chromosomal results in front of u ahahaha

nah but for real fuck off with this codified misogyny shit this reads like i'm still on reddit homey

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ShadesPath wrote

Do I think it's misogynist to make fun of Amber for shitting on someone's bed? No. Do I think it's misogynist to treat her like some devil that Depp was just powerless in the face of? Absolutely. I've had to say to people that Johnny isn't a victim of abuse the way regular folks are. He had enough power to stop whatever violence was being done to him and to never have it done to him again. The vast majority of abuse victims don't have nowhere near the same level of power in their relationships. Furthermore, reactive abuse (assuming it was reactive) is still abuse and his participation in it means he's an abuser and makes Amber a victim of said abuse. It bothers me a lot that people see the after effects of a feedback loop of violence and only blame it on one person.

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Anarcat wrote

Because that lady is a liar who has been caught in lies many times

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Styx OP wrote

So being a liar somehow, uh, immunises you against being a victim of domestic violence -- is this what you are saying?

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Anarcat wrote

It isn't what I'm saying, no, thanks for asking.

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Styx OP wrote (edited )

Alright, maybe read the article then. But TW: It might help you recognise you sound exactly like all those MRAs, incels and all other garden-variety misogynists who cannot help themselves but gleefully jump on this disgusting victim-blaming bangwagon.

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Anarcat wrote

You sound like you spend a great deal of time on the internet.

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Styx OP wrote

I'll take that over sounding like a misogynist!

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Anarcat wrote

You seem real concerned with which internet groups, internet acronyms you 'sound like' or align with. Just do your best to think through what sounds correct and incorrect to you, and don't worry too much about that stuff.

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