Comments

You must log in or register to comment.

Twoeyes wrote (edited )

They called themselves TERFs, then got angry when people started calling them that as an insult.

A lot of real TERFs are man hating lesbians so it depends on your definition of "feminism" it does get thrown around a bit too much though.

Edit: I was focused on the word "Misogynist".

4

[deleted] wrote

3

lettuceLeafer OP wrote

hating men isn't cool either

I think this is an interesting discussion outside of the current discourse on transphobic hating trans women. So if you don't mind I think it could be interesting to talk about the idea of if hating men I bad or not.

While I think it's cringe af if I were to go yeah I hate men. For me personally I don't really care or view it as harmful. In fact I find women hating men to be a understandable response.

For me personally after a week where almost all my interactions with men have been filled with sexual harassment, negging and general shitty I could see how it's cathartic to say I hate men.

So I'm not going to blame women for hating men as a method of coping with patriarchy. I think the big point of me finding this behavior ok is how the hatred is present.

This hatred of men in my experience poses no threat. It's a hatred that isn't personal and is more against men as a whole and not individual men. This hatred doesn't cause women to do bigoted things against men. It's more an expression of distain against men oppressing them than a bigoted hatred.

If women who hate men are hate criming men or doing fucked up things to men this discussion would be different. But in reality it's just women having to deal with a bunch of mysogyny saying I hate men than going back to having polite relations with their boyfriend, dad, male friends ect.

3

Twoeyes wrote

I was actually thinking more of those that go beyond this. Not as a way to defend them, but more as talking against a sacred "feminism".

Much like tru-scum, are really trans, just too bought into the system, where they're defending a sacred "trans". "You're not trans since you haven't been through the same things I have"

The TERF, is really a "feminist", where feminist is an identity for them, they're defending a sacred "woman". "Your womenhood is not the same as mine, so you can't be a woman too".

As such, they are "feminists" since they build their identity around this word, to the point that they become zealots, unable to accept change.

4

lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Much like tru-scum, are really trans

I think that metaphor is a bit broken. It would be than tru-scum are transphobic which they are. They are still trans and often trans positive. But due to them being transphobic at times they are transphobes.

I get the point you are trying to make but its just so silly to say that feminism can be hating women and harassing them. Sure language can mean anything and have multiple definitions. But a definition of feminism where women haters are feminists is so silly.

I think it would be like saying the alt right is feminist because they use defending women as a reason to be islamaphobic. Both the terf and alt righter might actually belive they are protecting women but it doesn't make them feminists because they are hating different kinds of women. (trans women and middle eastern women conversley. ) And terfs don't just hurt trans women they are an attack on all women. By instituting and defending strict gender binaries they defend the walls of patriarchy. Defending the gender binary is acting as a cop for patriarchy. So terfs are anti all women .

3

Twoeyes wrote

I don't really actually have an interest to continue this, since I wasn't really defending them, just discussing perspectives. I probably should have been more clear from the start.

But, I propose the question, why is Feminism more sacred than Anarchism to you?

3

[deleted] wrote (edited )

3

lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Yeah its almost unbelievable how men are so much more often culprits of violent abuse.

4

Twoeyes wrote

Yes, but they're not Misogynistic.

I wasn't defending them, just explaining that the argument wasn't all encompassing.

They think they're feminists, their definition of Women is just poorly thought out.

3