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celebratedrecluse wrote

It's true, isn't it? On the other hand, what is the alternative that can be envisioned? The author appears to call for simply banning the websites, which would increase exploitation and reduce the opportunities for voluntary sex workers as well. I also rather doubt that it would even be possible to shut down such an online industry, given the many opportunities for companies to simply relocate, host from somewhere else, etc.

I think this situation presents unique challenges for feminism.

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kin wrote

One can think in a porn peertube pratform made up by a radfeminist Union of Onlyfans workers creating safe content for the community and by the community, giving the workers more control in the distribution etc. This won't solve the problem but will create an alternative.

Another issue is the rights of the content created, with AI deepfakes and AI using already created content to generate new content is hard to devise a protection for the workers.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

An interesting thought. I think the possible issues are reliability of service, lack of socially established userbase, isolation of the workers from each other due to the nature of the "workplace" being digital, specialization driving a wedge between the "tech" workers and the content creators, and attacks from people opposed to the project (reactionaries, competitors, credit card companies, etc)

as far as the existing sites, AI, deepfakes...yeah that's just going to probably have uncontrollable bad effects, you're right. There's no putting technology back in the box once it's out there, I can't think of a single example if I'm honest, of that ever happening.

What do you think could be done to protect or nurture that kind of platform you propose?

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kin wrote

I think in this little utopic exercise there is lot that I don't know first hand, technical issues and the whole situation of the sex work per se, marginal in almost every aspect for our world. So sorry if I am vague about the details.

The simple answer in this utopic scenario will be the reorganization of this libertarian sex worker bubble that already exists. We already have lots of models, performers, workers, that share the same values of Queerness, genderlessness, Freedoms, a common set of "anarchist ethics" if you want. This efforts needs an organic growth from inside of the already existent base, organizing as always will play a role rallying the users and workers towards this new free platform.

I don't expect this bubble to surpass the current sex market, it will be probably a niche as always for this kind of marginal organization.

Isolation could be a problem if we lost engagement from the community and alienation of the workers, the users will need to play a central role here to nurture the community and care for the well-being of the workers.

The wedge between the tech maintenance and the other workers probably will involve a technical solution of sorts. If we have this platform build in a more inclusive way maybe we can have less issues with the specialization driving conflicts, so again we will need a community really engaged in the "success" of the project.

Outside attacks: big capital/card company boycott, maybe it's inevitable but we already have a black market for other less licit activities, cryptomoney maybe wil be the first alternative here. Competitors, probably will rely on spam attacks but this could be negligible (or not), so again I would expect a technical "magical" solution. Reactionaries, these will be maybe the worst problem because they are driven by ideology of the destruction of the whole project, in the tech side, the wellbeing of the community and poisoning the environment. I would expect lots of issues with them.

About the part of loss control that the workers have about stolen content, and stolen identities, etc we will need a kind of "crypto protocol" (again tech magic) that avoid the indiscriminate unauthorised share of content and it's manipulation without consent. Like, the model share a pic with one person and this person have the pic in a format that can't be manipulated without destroying its content and if they manage to do so we can track the original leak. Maybe a new kind of License will need to be created to ensure this agreement between the community.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

If we have this platform build in a more inclusive way maybe we can have less issues with the specialization driving conflicts

Automation would have to be implemented, and the tech workers would have to have regular meetings with content users with an interest in joining a rotating soviet. Alternatively, it could required for the admins to be content creators.

model share a pic with one person and this person have the pic in a format that can't be manipulated without destroying its content and if they manage to do so we can track the original leak. Maybe a new kind of License will need to be created to ensure this agreement between the community.

NFTs might be useful to wit

Outside attacks: big capital/card company boycott, maybe it's inevitable but we already have a black market for other less licit activities, cryptomoney maybe wil be the first alternative here.

Yeah, the crypto ATMs are all over the world now so, it would be easy to pay people in XMR

This seems like a fun project, perhaps I should do it actually?

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kin wrote

I would love to hear more about it. Maybe you can find some people in the industry to brainstorm more about the details.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Do you know about any payservice/webstore type apps for XMR (monero?)

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kin wrote

No, sorry 😐

Monero seems difficult to exchange, I saw some comments in the sub, but can't tell If it's good advice

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celebratedrecluse wrote

these CryptoNote protocols have qualitatively superior experiences on a number of different levels, but the size of the blockchain and the intentional isolation of exchanges from Fiat-Monero, causes slowed adoption of the protocols, which serves the interests of the surveillance industry

Lack of payment processors etc, is just another form of enforcing this reality on the end users, who are treated by policy as a source of trouble and suspicion, variables to be controlled.

Case in point, OpenBazzar didn't just "fall apart" as a project: it was intentionally fuck with, social infrastructure sabotaged and left to rot by interested third parties.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

GME mania is another form of this approach to controlling financial end users. Channel social energy into buying stocks of bankrupt companies....instead of endeavors like the cryptonote protocols etc, which actually solve real extant problems in the financial field they stand in, and have a material reason to reproduce and generate value as an investment.

Social media has poisoned people's ability to work collaboratively while disaggregated, by inserting the virality of meme logic. At the same time, people think they are so enlightened by the technology, "now I can communicate with anyone on earth, we are super-humans, we lucky privileged few who live in the age of the internet"

Lol

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AnarcheAmor wrote

It's a good thing I only read asexual furry hentai.

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kin wrote (edited )

Until we get an article not paid by the swerf-reactionary-christian lobby, here is an older post

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