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ShadesPath wrote

And they call me a simp for paying for a virtual character's OnlyFans. Well guess who has the moral high ground now!

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existential1 wrote

This was awful all around. I don't even know what to say. Words aren't enough, really.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

This broke my heart.

I live in a country simultaneously obsessed with sex and sex shaming. No one should be shamed into suicide for exploring and expressing their sexuality as a teen. Flashing some boob online for money should not be a life sentence. How does one fight against a neverending tide of toxic moralizing? Part of the solution must include normalizing sex work and sex workers. I am at a loss here ...

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bloodrose OP wrote (edited )

I think you missed the beginning of the story of that girl. She first had her private videos leaked and uploaded. She had no consent in the matter. Her suicide attempt was after those stolen videos became public. She wasn't a sex worker. She was a teenager who gave a boy videos/pictures and who had her trust violated.

After the suicide attempt, feeling powerless, she sold her own pictures and videos. This was a response to a trauma. She would likely not have performed those behaviors had she not had her sexuality un-consensually sold. She was commodified against her will. I will absolutely moralize anyone who will commoditize a someone's body against their will. 100 fucking percent.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

I will absolutely moralize anyone who will commoditize a woman's body against her will. 100 fucking percent.

Absolutely agree. I was speaking more towards the effect that the videos had, becoming public, with the subsequent shaming campaign by the girl's peers. In a world where "sex" doesn't carry such stigma, the leaked videos would have still been a gross violation of privacy, but only that. Ostracizing based on sexual history happens due to a twisted moral hegemony, where anyone found broadcasting their sexuality, intentionally or not, is viewed as less than. The girl might have been spared her downward spiral if not for the relentless harrassment of a puritan, and paradoxically, sex obsessed mob.

Basically, if people weren't so weird about fucking and filming fucking, a leaked vid wouldn't lead to such suffering. Well, the leaker should suffer, for sure. Normalizing sex work might help alleviate the sex weirdness. Maybe? I don't know. This story is so fucked up. Teens have it so hard, with privacy becoming less and less of a thing.

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bloodrose OP wrote

Hard disagree. Anything happening against your consent sucks. It's perfectly acceptable to poop but if you take a picture of your poop to show your doctor, you wouldn't expect anyone other than your doctor to see it and associate it with you.

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Vulgar_Soda wrote

I'm not advocating against consent or for leaked vids. I'm advocating for understanding and empathy when consent does get ignored and private acts become public.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

Patriarchy makes monsters out of people.

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Kinshavo wrote

I would say everyone can be a monster, inside Patriarchy or not.

But your remark is on spot. All this machismo, misogyny, toxic masculinity, and so on make people do horrible things, normalize harmful behavior. This post is a tough read, but a necessary one.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

I don’t think you can really develop a healthy relationship with your sexuality (or absence of sexuality, as the case may be) in such a moralistic environment.

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PumpkinSpiceNose wrote

A story about sex-trafficked children and pedo porn on pornhub is posted and you all are worried about 'moralizing' around sex? Not about the trafficking? Not about the inability of people to get videos of themselves being raped removed from a public platform? Yikes.

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GlangSnorrisson wrote (edited )

Fair point, but really I was just musing off what vulgar soda was saying. Couldn’t finish the piece.

And if you want my feelings on the rest: child porn makers, human traffickers and the porn site owners that enable it are revolting beyond words.

Just to be clear.

Edit: I also think it’s worth touching on the relationship between moralism surrounding sexuality (women’s, at least) and the horrible misogyny you see on display here.

Much of what’s discussed in the article seems to be retributive acts towards women who express sexuality in a certain way.

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

This happened just last Spring...

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/protesters-demonstrate-in-front-of-pornhub-hq-in-montreal-on-international-women-s-day-1.4844107

But it appeared to be ignored or snobbed by progressive activist groups. At least the people who did the protest seemed to not be of that crowd, afaik.

I don't totally agree with such actions that involve protesting against a building where nobody cares. Pornhub and MindGeek are run by 3-4 super-shady guys from a Montreal business school, who've been enjoying far too much peace of mind, for years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feras_Antoon

https://ca.linkedin.com/in/brian-tassillo-89b37517

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/ceos/fabian-thylmann-net-worth/ "Fabian Thylmann earned his net worth as the founder and CEO of adult website conglomerate Manwin which is now known as MindGeek."

They're fucking named "Manwin", fer chrissake. lol

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bloodrose OP wrote

I imagine these protests are being ignored by progressive groups in show of solidarity with sex workers. I think we need to figure out how to be anti-pornhub but pro-sex worker. It should be able to be the same as being anti-mega-corp but pro-worker.

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lautreamont wrote

Article and subject is about underage girls who got lured into posting sex cams of themselve, and PornHub used it against their fully-aware consent. I wouldn't call them "sex workers", who consent to sell their sex services.... This is blatant underage abuse by PornHub.

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lastfutures wrote (edited )

Right but sex trafficking narratives are used almost exclusively by anti-porn activists (which the author of this article is). Like the Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act that passed a year or two ago that totally fucked sex workers & made their work way more dangerous, which was the whole intent.

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bloodrose OP wrote

I agree with you completely. I just find that in leftist circles when you bring up these problems, there becomes a lot of hand-wringing about moralizing and sex-work, and no one will say "hey, this is fucked up - we should care" because they worry about being attacked for being "anti-sex-worker."

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KillYourCiv wrote

The problem with pointing out crime inside porn industry is that conservatives have hijacked the conversation. If you talk about dangers of porn, you get lumped into a same category with some moralizing, anti-sex Christians. This is why some feminists won't talk about it.

In my opinion, porn in it's current form, does more harm than good. The amount of abuse included in it is absolutely horrible. And when some of the most popular porn is basically simulated incest and pedophilia (actresses are made to look like 14-years olds), it's obvious how toxic it is. Of course there is more unproblematic porn, but it's a small minority. Most porn just enforces sexism and glorifies abuse of women. And then there is the treatment of transwomen in porn which is absolutely horrible in every possible way. Most porn is made for sexist men.

And we should also remember that porn industry is massive and functions according to capitalist logic. It's about profit and actros and actresses in porn are paid often almost nothing. Drug use is a massive problem. It's hard to make ethical porn.

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isvarahparamahkrsnah wrote

Thank God my childhood had no internet.
The most people ever did was texting till midnight

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lastfutures wrote (edited )

This article appears to be from a religious anti-porn org, Exodus Cry, with the stated goal of abolishing the commercial sex industry.

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