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therealmidnite wrote

Well, how would you convince "settler-colonists and their offspring" to give up land in the US? And how much would you have to compensate them to "buy citizenship elsewhere"?

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ziq wrote (edited )

Completely different situation. Europeans far outnumber indigenous peoples in that country now (because they successfully genocided them) and SA apartheid lasted into the 90s, so the people who were directly responsible for it are all still reaping the benefits and giving their children their ill begotten gains. Plus, a lot of them want to leave and are asking Trump to let them move to the US.

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therealmidnite wrote

So if white people successfully genocided black people in South Africa, or hid their racist segregation policies under the guise of neoliberalism (as was - and still is being - done in the US) they wouldn't be "settler-colonialists" and wouldn't be directly responsible?

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ziq wrote (edited )

Did I say anything like that? American whites won't be willing to leave and couldn't if they wanted to because there's too many of them. South African whites might be willing. Both because they're a minority, are knowingly complicit in apartheid and thus scared of retaliation from the majority, and because they can conceivably migrate due to their much smaller numbers.

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therealmidnite wrote

You might just as well have... considering that your "solution" requires the "peaceful ethnic redistribution" (I trust you know who coined that term) of four and a half million people, including me, to satisfy your conveniently selective nativism.

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ziq wrote

Willingly giving up power and privilege... that's an incredibly rare thing, especially when we're talking about settler-colonists and their offspring. I don't think it'll happen unless they are compensated so well that they can buy citizenship elsewhere.

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