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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Hi all

I'm super low on capacity at the moment but feel its important to say what I can.

I'm pretty uncomfortable with this, in part because it seems to increase bureacracy and law-like behaviour, in part because it makes work for admins, and in part because that probably means it gives power to admins.

I'm just going to throw another idea into the mix, not sure if it's good: If we can try to find a way to make this work at the level of forums and moderators rather than site-wide - effectively creating spaces (forums) where certain individuals/approaches are not welcome, it could then be maintained by those people in those communities.

e.g. If some group is feuding with another - let's say particular marxists are feuding with ancoms, those marxists could be banned from relevant ancom-based forums, and the ancoms then are left to curate and manage their own space.

This doesn't preclude fighting in other spaces, but it does provide everyone with the opportunity to have spaces where they aren't going to deal with antagonism. I prefer also the idea that forums are largely autonomous so long as they aren't breaking the ToS.

Ok that's me for now :)

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ziq wrote (edited )

I think this makes a lot of sense.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Really, involving admins at all in interpersonal politics shouldn't be happening. Just us voting on a proposal causes people to ragequit because we don't vote the way they want.

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leftous OP wrote (edited )

I think you're right, this would create way too much work for admins and could produce other problems as /u/ziq mentioned. Letting forums/mods optionally adopt rules like this makes more sense.

So perhaps we should have a proposal where individual forums become more autonomous and can implement additional rules/procedures on top of the ToS?

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

So far as I've understood, individual forums have always been able to implement additional rules, and some have.

f/freeasinfreedom for example even has a whole wiki of its rules - w/freeasinfreedom/rules.

So perhaps what is involved is more encouraging people to act more autonomously with their spaces and do do more organising within them.

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leftous OP wrote

Thanks.

That's interesting because the Transhumanists could have just as easily passed their 'no trolling' policy in their forum, and this whole situation could have been avoided. lol

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