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Pop wrote (edited )

A few points to start off conversation! :)

  • I don't think there's a separation, especially for those of us who are anarchists (and so have a prefigurative politics), between spreading and living socialist ideas

is an implication of your view that we could become rich in the US to fund leftism elsewhere? if you still expect people to be ethical, how is that separate from building the new world in the shell of the old (ie how is it different from working to establish a socialist state)?

  • just like the US itself, people from the US should generally stay the fuck out of the lives of other countries' peoples. I'm scared ideas like "curating sympathy for leftist states" would amount to a kind of left imperialism. installing socialism in foreign countries is still imperialism in my book

genuinely helping socialism occur elsewhere as a person in the US probably means going to the same war you're trying to avoid going to in avoiding starting up a leftist state.

  • depends what you think the left is. post- and anti-left anarchists are going to say that the left is already outmoded and captured by capitalism
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