Inaugural post! (CW: self-harm, suicide) Do people here recognise how their politics of bodily autonomy, i.e. "Their body, their rules" also applies to self-harm and suicide?

Submitted by Pop in CritiqueThis (edited )

I'm posting this in part to get the ball rolling on discussions in this forum, hopefully there will be many good ones!:

Most of us will be very quick to defend bodily autonomy as a whole specifically with regards to things like abortion, sexual and other consent, drug use, tattoos/piercings etc.

At the same time, many of us I would guess would go to great lengths to intervene if someone was about to harm or kill themselves
Often, we'll institutionalise them in a place full of people they don't know, putting them on a debilitating cocktail of drugs, among many other shitty things

I think there's a lot of moralism around self-harm and suicide
I understand how people might not want their friends to die, and I can understand their wanting to open up the options for their friends if their friends are willing to know them
but very often this crosses into coercion, assuming people are no longer capable of making decisions for themselves

In my experience finding the world unbearable is the only position that makes any sense
and yet there's something disorderly about wanting to die?

Alright, I'll leave it at this let's see what you all have to say :) don't forget to respond as per sidebar pls


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selver wrote

My utopia would definitely include bolo'bolo's nugo:

The nugo is a metallic capsule an inch-and-a-half long and half-an-inch in diameter, secured by a twist-combination lock whose seven-digit number is known only by its bearer. This metallic container encloses a pill of an immediately deadly substance. Every ibu gets its nugo from its bolo, as is the case for taku. The ibu can wear its nugo together with the keys to its property trunk on a chain around its neck so that it’s always ready for use. Should the ibu be incapable of opening the capsule and swallowing the death pill (due to paralysis, injury, etc.), the other ibus are obliged to help it (see sila).

If the ibu is sick of bolo’bolo’, of itself, of taku, sila, nima, yaka, fasi, etc., it can always feel free to quit the game definitely and escape from its (improved, reformed) nightmare. Life shouldn’t be a pretext to justify its responsibility towards bolo’bolo, society, the future, or other illusions. The nugo reminds the ibu that bolo’bolo finally makes no sense, that nobody and no form of social organization can help the ibu in its loneliness and despair. If life is taken too seriously, it equals hell. Every ibu comes outfitted with a return ticket.

Ultimately I think it's really dependent on the situation. There are people you should try to stop, and people you shouldn't. I don't believe in any unalienable rights that say someone can't try to prevent you from doing it. I can agree with doing everything possible to stop, for example, a young person dealing with a potentially temporary mental illness. But when it comes to some Hunter S. Thompson shit, I don't see it as some kind of tragedy that should have been prevented. A sober-minded decision that it's simply not worth it is absolutely possible, a relative of mine went that way recently. I think that sort of death can even be a positive thing, a celebration of sorts, if the stigma surrounding it were gone (Doug Stanhope's story comes to mind).